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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by sillyfluke »

Sorry for not responding for your request for tech advise and instead commenting on the idea:

1. I would want this.

2. If possible, if the detecting device could be clipped on somewhow and not force me to use different (sun)glasses might be my necessary condition unless you're selling glasses that I like as much as my curreny ones.

3. If I could demand anything, I would demand you pair up with someone who has some streetcred in the privacy tech department (streetcred as in a known public personality with trackrecord on being on the right side of these issues or known to be advocating for them).

Here's why: if Meta decided to add this feature to their glasses, if I found a way to shut down all the other shit, I might go and buy their glasses. Which means if you are sucessful, if I were Meta I would buy you out and shut you down. Hence the public personality or who have you to prevent you fron doing this.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by alwa »

LocalH wrote: post #151
october8140 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled. I also live in a US st…

Same way as the police body cameras do it: disclose what you’re doing. Which really is all OP is asking of the Ray-Ban spy cam wearers, too. A blinking red light is the conventional method.

In the police’s case, there’s rarely a choice, but at least you’re reminded you’re speaking For The Record instead of with a person. In your case, that way I know not to talk to you.

I wonder why stealth is so foundational to these devices’ success…

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by alwa »

crazygringo wrote: post #132
skripp wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”I would feel pretty silly if my solution uses its own camera. So I'll be avoiding that.” From the GitHub link.

Yeah but that approach using "sweeps" doesn't seem to be working. It's possible it actually requires a camera to do it reliably well.

I’ve heard of approaches using pulsed IR along with a Mk.1 Human Eyeball to detect the incident reflections, sometimes with the assistance of a filter. Glasses seem like a good form factor for that kind of thing.

Of course, the detecting person’s anti-camera glasses may well light up on the surveiller’s recording, too…

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by okincilleb »

louthy wrote: post #16
nullpxl wrote: post #12

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Thank you! To settle a debate between me and a friend, do you think Ray-BANNED or Ban-Rays is the better name?

Ray-Banned is a good pun, but might bring you legal trouble. I’d go with Ban-Rays

But you’d agree Ray-Banned is better

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by thinkling »

9dev wrote: post #24

Does anyone work on smart glasses for blind people yet? Something with blackened glass, obviously, that uses image recognition to translate visual input into text via (headphone) audio to the wearer. That would allow for urgent warnings (approaching a street, walking towards obstacle [say, an electric scooter or a fence]), scene descriptions on request, or help finding things in the view field. There's probably a lot…

I was just reading about an app in the iOS App Store called Seeing AI that "narrates the world around you". (All disclaimers apply, this is exactly all I know about it.)

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #73
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #35

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> blocking/jamming the specific wireless traffic would be pretty interesting, if possible. And probably highly illegal.

At the end of the day, legality is what society settles as an acceptable way of running itself when all the stakeholders reluctantly agree or at least don't protest too much. Right now the 'costs' are sufficiently low that no one cares. As with most things, I suspect that there is a threshold ( though likely much higher than I have previously anticipated ) at which normal person would be unwilling to go as if anythin…

Nobody cares? Here (sweden) its illegal to possess outside of military use. The US seems to give fines between 20-200 thousand $ for its usage and potential imprisonment for its sale. Even overboosting wifi routers for better range gets people in trouble.

It's among the most illegal things you could easily do with basic electronics equipment.

why? Part of it is historical; it used to be complicated, so being in possession of one got you in trouble with the anti terrorism squad.

These days; it's because it can block emergency services, police and military radio, and burglary alarms.

They may be lenient for a nerd playing with a router but the law its not on your side when push comes to shove.

https://legalclarity.org/are-signal-jammers-illegal-in-the-u...

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by graemep »

throwaway808081 wrote: post #71
littlestymaar wrote: post #27

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The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

Do not expect this from the UK. That fight despite millions of signatures was batted down: The UK is introducing passed legislation that citizens' digital IDs are owned by a Google or Apple smartphone. The UK already have such laws active and in force that company directors must submit their information through an app available only from Google or Apple. It is clear 'digital IDs' will go the same way. It's not about…

Digital ID legislation has not been introduced.

Company directors do not have to use the app. The app is one of three ways of doing it.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by littlestymaar »

sghiassy wrote: post #122
iamnothere wrote: post #110

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Private businesses, however, can choose to refuse service for any reason as long as it’s not discriminatory. If enough businesses collaborated to create a “no camera glasses” policy, people might be less likely to buy them. This could keep the market small. Perhaps a good approach would be to pressure businesses about this. Frankly they probably don’t want pervasive recording of their employees anyway.

I’m d assume businesses like social media attention, so if these cameras post to Social Media that’s free advertising. Also, how would you differentiate banning cameras on glasses vs cameras on smartphones. It could get murky

> I’m d assume businesses like social media attention, so if these cameras post to Social Media that’s free advertising.

If you care about attention, a move like that is likely going to create enough controversy to get you a great deal of attention actually.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by gblargg »

LocalH wrote: post #151
october8140 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled. I also live in a US st…

"Secret" camera recorder on a phone. Runs in the background, so you just need to keep the gaslighting person in view.
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