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Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by r618 »

zaptrem wrote: post #94
r618 wrote: post #87

i've been occasionally trying to get some usable ambience tracks from these various models, but none of them seem to be able to produce looping tracks based on results so far it also looks like more flexible approach to ai generation would be to generate set of stems/samples based on user description and let them to actually compose instead of producing complete audio (maybe this is already happening somewhere) - in…

You can create a looped track by combining the song generation and transition generation examples from our API example repo!

would you be so kind and

- link to both example

- briefly outline process of combining them for this usecase

- since this is API usage i suppose it's most likely not viable to obtain (reasonably) looped audio via user prompting (i.e. what's currently available in browser) - would that be correct ?

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by patcon »

dingnuts wrote: post #32
patcon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made little gift songs for friends for awhile. It was nice and fun. Making a roadtrip theme song for friends on a vacation is way fun, and kinda locks in the moment I also used it when I was living in New Orleans to help a friend come up with a riff for a live set he had, which had some unusual constraints (only had a singer, drummer and trombone, but no others, in an echoey space). He used the generated song hook…

There's so much real independent music out there that actually has meaning. I hope you didn't tell your friend you wrote the song, because if someone tricked me into listening to generated not-art and I found out afterwards, I would consider them a liar. What your friend did, using generation for inspiration for real music he creates is fine. But if someone gifted me an AI generated song I would ask why they didn't p…

> But if someone gifted me an AI generated song I would ask why they didn't pay a few dollars -- honestly not much more -- to a real artist to do the same.

I literally made a Mountain Goats song about them playing a fantasy video game together with their daughter as we all sat on the couch. This did not rob any artist of any amount of money they ever would have seen. It was a novel moment accentuated and joyful for humans at zero cost to anyone else. The creative world is not zero-sum like you're presenting it to be

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by patcon »

relaxing wrote: post #65
emporas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with real music, is that it requires a hefty amount of musicians to establish a genre. This amount could be somewhere in the range of 100 to 1000 musicians. When this critical number is not amassed then the genre effectively dies. With A.I. we can resurrect dead genres, but not only that, we can combine genres together, popular genres with one another, also popular and unpopular genres or popular and dead…

I’m a pretty big music fan and I have no idea what you’re on about. Where did you get this theory? > The problem with real music, is that it requires a hefty amount of musicians to establish a genre. Why is establishing genre a goal in the first place? > This amount could be somewhere in the range of 100 to 1000 musicians. This is demonstrably false. Genre is defined by critical consensus, and it can arise around one…

Yeah, it seems like a pretty contrived example and theory.

I think what the OP is trying to articulate is that they are aware of more genres now? Maybe AI makes exploration of niche genres more exciting and participatory for them. They are finding new genres and "expanding them", but it's just bc they were ignorant of them (or unengaged with the content of the song style) before they could participate in this way. I dunno, just trying to think what they might have experienced that would make them think some new universal was coming true * shrug *

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by akrymski »

zaptrem wrote: post #140
akrymski wrote: post #88

I really wish this trend of prompting gen AI models with text would stop. It's really meaningless. Musicians need gen AI they can prompt with a melody on their keyboard. Or a bit of whistling into the microphone. Or a beat they can tap on the table. That is what allows humans to unleash their creativity. Not AI generating random bits that fit a distribution of training data. English language is not the right input fo…

Agreed! Those will be much more fun and we plan to support that. However, right now we're focused on making the base model slightly better, then we can easily add all of those controls (a-la ControlNets with Stable Diffusion).

But this is not easy, it's the real challenge here as there are lots of text-to-audio models out there. It is far from solved for Stable Diffusion as well. ControlNet is pretty bad. Just try taking the photo of an empty room and asking an image model to add furniture. Or to change a wall colour. Or to style an existing photo as per the style of another and so on. We are very far from being able to truly control the output generated by the AI models, which is something that a DAW excels at. I'd start with an AI-powered DAW rather than text-to-audio and try to add controls to it. It's like Cursor vs Lovable if you get my drift.
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