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Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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My dad (>60, not exactly tech saavy) has been using Lubuntu for 2 years now (actually I don't even remember when we installed it might be 4 years :P). For many parents who only surf the web and do some non power user office (he uses Libre Office now) and check their mail it's the perfect solution. For his use case it's more user friendly than the Windows install because of the lack of constant update requests and ant…

This! Well... not this! Every time the (linux) desktop discussion comes up, at least a few geeks have this "linux+my mother" argument which should prove linux desktop is totally usable for everyone. Just wait until they discover "alternative program X" for "windows program X" is not the same as the program they saw at the computer of the neughbours mom. Or libre office fucks up the layout again. Come on guys, why alw…

I generally nudge those folks toward the G Suite apps instead of a locally-installed office suite like LibreOffice.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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If your solution to malware problems with an unsophisticated user is to just cripple their ability to install anything, why not let instead let them keep Windows/Mac and give them an account with minimal privileges?

Cripple their ability to install anything? What are you suggesting?

How do you install TurboTax on Linux? None of the software they have, none of the software anyone they know uses will install on their Linux machine.

Very quickly most will get the idea that the computer is broken and you need to come and fix it because you were the one that broke it.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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It depends on the user, you can't make such a blanket statement and expect to be taken seriously. My non-techie wife wandered onto my Elementary OS installation one day while I was at work, and despite having never used anything but Windows on the desktop (not even a Mac) she navigated just fine without me there to guide her. She was able to use it to go online, find something she wanted to print, print it, and then…

Users below the upper quartile (if we can model computer competence along a single axis) are coping just fine with a range of OSes on mobile devices including tablets - Android, iOS. People are getting used to working out slightly unfamiliar interfaces.

Which raises the whole problem of mobile device resource hogs and adware.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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A chromebook is cheaper and, IMHO, better for most users.

What do you think makes it better? It's not unusual to see non-technical users of all ages using an iPad. You never see them using a chromebook.

Did you mean to imply there was a logical connection? I'm not sure how 'perceived usage' relates to 'quality'? Surely the two questions are orthogonal? i.e. the less used solution might still be 'better'.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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If your solution to malware problems with an unsophisticated user is to just cripple their ability to install anything, why not let instead let them keep Windows/Mac and give them an account with minimal privileges?

Because then the unsophisticated user will constantly ask to have $RANDOM_SOFTWARE installed. Admittedly, having to say "no" to those requests up front is preferable to having to remove malware infestations later, but it is still annoying and can cause unnecessary friction in personal relationships. There are several ways switching an unsophisticated user reduces this problem: - Ads for malware-laden $RANDOM_SOFTWARE…

These issues confirmed by personal experience.

I switched over my father-in-law's laptop to Chromium OS for this exact reason.

(mostly) automatic updates.

no malware.

zero configuration to allow for breaking anything.

no "can I install XX?" questions. The answer is always "if it's in the chrome store".

A good browser does everything he needs.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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"How does dust get into the outlet if it's more or less sealed" yeah it's a good tip

Anyone who is smart enough to come up with that should be smart enough to replug the power without getting mad

alas, being capable does not always make it true.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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Regarding the "is it plugged in?" question. A great anecdote I heard was that the support person on the phone asked if the power plug was clean. The user was confused. The support person told them to unplug it, blow the dust out of the holes, and plug it back in. This fixed the problem! The issue was that the power plug was in the socket, but too loose to connect. Somehow, the support person figured this was the case…

Apple did that on the iPod manuals. They wouldn't say "make sure the lock button is unlocked" (because duh, of course it's unlocked), they would say "turn the button to the lock and then the unlock position".

Yes, onboarding is a pain.

Once I thought it's because software is too complicated, but it seems every time I lower the entry barrier, people lower their opinion about what is a problem.

What I don't understand is, that even professionals turn their brain out when setting up a system of any kind.

When I have to go to a customer and need to set some stuff up, I ensure that I can complete that task without the help of others. If some unexpected happens, I write it down at some central place and consult it the next time.

But some people just head out every time without thinking or planning.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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Maybe you should start with the basic concepts next time you are around. Explain things like computer, internet, operating system, programs. Just in a Feynman style of explanation, very brief and easy to understand. Once my mother called that the tablet said it had a virus and should scan immediately. I asked what she saw on the screen, what she was doing when it occurred. It was an aggressive pop-up in an app she wa…

If only it was that easy. Most of the ppl having simmilar problems will only pretend to listen and remember your explanations, only to run to you with the exact same problem in a couple of hours.

Exactly. They just want their problem solved, they don't care about understanding the underlying system.

It's not even about not wanting to listen, it's about the amount of information they have to absorb to understand the problem.

Also, most of us are not Feinmann-level teachers who can explain complicated systems in simple terms.

Re: Show HN: Fun tool that cut my family and friends tech support time in half

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Apple did that on the iPod manuals. They wouldn't say "make sure the lock button is unlocked" (because duh, of course it's unlocked), they would say "turn the button to the lock and then the unlock position".

Yes, onboarding is a pain. Once I thought it's because software is too complicated, but it seems every time I lower the entry barrier, people lower their opinion about what is a problem. What I don't understand is, that even professionals turn their brain out when setting up a system of any kind. When I have to go to a customer and need to set some stuff up, I ensure that I can complete that task without the help of…

> Once I thought it's because software is too complicated, but it seems every time I lower the entry barrier, people lower their opinion about what is a problem.

100000x this.

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