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Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by sodimel »

That's a nice project!

I searched a few comments I agreed using the "Ask HN: What are some iconic comments on HN?" thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40719253) and I'm pleased to see some green comments here and there :)

I also made 2 QoL [fire|grease]monkey extensions for hn:

- display favicons of sites next to links: https://gist.github.com/corentinbettiol/6d9dc3a032c17ebcd94d...

- display karma next to usernames: https://gist.github.com/corentinbettiol/289503b4033a788df91f...

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by conesus »

dewey wrote: post #150

Thanks for actually providing a Safari extension, this is rare!

That was the toughest lift of all! Firefox and Chrome extensions were easy, just had to go through a quick review. Apple rejected the safari extension 4-5 times and wanted me to make changes to the metadata and even questioned the extension itself. Took a lot of back and forth to get the safari extension approved.

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by dewey »

conesus wrote: post #152
dewey wrote: post #150

Thanks for actually providing a Safari extension, this is rare!

That was the toughest lift of all! Firefox and Chrome extensions were easy, just had to go through a quick review. Apple rejected the safari extension 4-5 times and wanted me to make changes to the metadata and even questioned the extension itself. Took a lot of back and forth to get the safari extension approved.

Yea, I'm not blaming anyone for not providing one (Especially as you have to pay the developer fee if you don't already have an account for other reasons) so it was a pleasant surprise!

While I have our attention: Is there any plans on making the hacker smacking profile not public?

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by jonathanstrange »

jmye wrote: post #108
jonathanstrange wrote: post #24

That's weird, I'm reading HN every day and never felt a need for something like that. In my experience, the quality of comments is very high and really bad ones tend to be downvoted or flagged fast. Could this be a time zone issue such that people in certain time zones are less fortunate than others?

I think it frequently depends on the thread you're reading and your expertise in that area? There are a few things I'm intermediate to expert in - frequently the quality of comments in those threads is quite poor, but the noise & upvote-y memes look like signal in those areas, so it may not look as bad from the outside. On the other hand, there are a number of things I'm not very informed about, and I do frequently f…

I don't see how it could work, for the reason you lay out. It's one of those tools that wouldn't be needed if it worked and can't work if it's needed.

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by croes »

jimnotgym wrote: post #130
ineedasername wrote: post #4

I’d encourage a change of labels away from “friend/foe”. It may seem minor but the subtle loaded nature of those paired terms encourages an adversarial stance rather than one of productive discourse. It’s not catchy so there’s probably better than this but, just as an example— “engage/ignore” could better signal to the user a neutral “do I want to bother with this person?”

I see this as a very hn type commenting. Nitpicking over semantics rather than engaging the whole. Your comment is fine, but the whole response in the rest of the thread is boorish. I'm fine with friend or foe, because they are in reality, just coloured blobs

Words change perception.

There is a reason why in the current political climate in the US people who don’t agree are labeled literally foes.

Repeat it often enough and your perception will change.

Words have power.

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by insin »

cousinbryce wrote: post #37

Way down on my list of projects to vibe code is tags for HN users. I.e `Elon Stan` , `smart about aeronautics` , `grumpy` , `reasonable` etc etc. I like reading different opinion but if I formed an opinion about a user id like to record that without using my brain

My HN extension [1] does this. So many "but humans!" user notes and an unfortunate number for LLM psychosis / mania.

[1] https://soitis.dev/comments-owl-for-hacker-news

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by apwheele »

This is cool, but for folks concerned about privacy, even if the cached layer is anonymized, in the aggregate I bet you can likely figure out who a person is.

I imagine just looking at the first degree connections of the votes would be a pretty strong signal.

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by netsharc »

tomhow wrote: post #99
netsharc wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have the name(s) off the top of my head, but can't you do a query of users whose account age are greater than (some threshold) but whose median comment score /amount of flagged to death comments is past some other threshold.

Mathematical quality scoring doesn’t work well for moderation of human behaviour in a community. Context matters a lot. Feelings influence people’s conduct and perception of others’ conduct a great deal. A user may get huge numbers of upvotes for comments they make about a technology or their profession, but then attract many downvotes and flags when they're commenting about politics. This is particularly true when p…

Sheesh. I meant that as a step 1 to get a list of suspect users, and then you read the users comments to see if they're all breaking the rules. (The same thing you'd do if you get a report of a user being "moronic" over email)

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by cassepipe »

jimnotgym wrote: post #135
cassepipe wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For once a "this is a very HN" comment seems earned but I think it just marks you at not really the target audience for HN One of the reason we come to HN is that curiosity and caring about details is rewarded and makes for great discussion Also your comment has no substance. I stand totally unimpressed by your opposition between the whole and the details and I fail to see how this is relevant. Care to explain what t…

> I think it just marks you at not really the target audience for HN This has some pretty serious connotations. I have been here for an awful long time for someone who is not a target audience, please take a moment of self reflection at that. I don't think nitpicking is a synonym for 'caring about details'. I am acusing commenters of picking on unimportant details, and I'm acusing them of doing it because it is easie…

I admit to overreacting sorry about that.

> It looks superficially clever, but is actually just pedantry.

I'll just defend why is think this is not in fact pedantry but a genuine concern : The "great divide" is now such commonplace, especially in the US, with people living in their online and media environment bubbles that "gardens" like HN are more valuable than ever. The world is already tribal enough as it it. "friend" or "foe" encourages tribal behaviour instead of engaging with different viewpoints. Tribal behaviour is deeply ingrained in all of us and nothing to scoff at. The extension encourages glossing over diverging viewpoints, setting yourself up to dismiss quickly. I just don't think that's in the spirit of HN. There's already community moderation to prune comments who are failing HN guidelines.

You are indeed correct about the guidelines. This is the part I remembered wrongly:

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit.

However I don't think it would be against the spirit of the law to extend the guidelines with "Don't make comments about the general population of HN. Such vague generalizations bring nothing interesting to the table"

Re: Show HN: Hacker Smacker – Spot great (and terrible) HN commenters at a glance

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Post by nottorp »

conesus wrote: post #152
dewey wrote: post #150

Thanks for actually providing a Safari extension, this is rare!

That was the toughest lift of all! Firefox and Chrome extensions were easy, just had to go through a quick review. Apple rejected the safari extension 4-5 times and wanted me to make changes to the metadata and even questioned the extension itself. Took a lot of back and forth to get the safari extension approved.

Hah, I was just going to do a post of thanks for providing a Firefox extension and not sticking to Chrome only!

Sadly I don't think I'm going to use it. I'm the kind that prefers to read only the comments and not the names attached to them.

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