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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by LocalH »

october8140 wrote: post #48
dotancohen wrote: post #2

Interesting idea. It seems to me that most things which would need to be protected from hidden cameras would be stationary and not require the operator to mount the detectors on his body, but starting with mobile constraints is often helpful. I would like to draw attention to this gem of wit, easily the best I've seen in a long time: > I think the idea behind this approach is sound (actually it's light)

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled.

I also live in a US state that only requires one-party consent to record a conversation, meaning it is fully legal in my state to record any conversation I am a participant in, regardless of the consent of the other participants.

How should this be reconciled?

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by dotancohen »

alexfoo wrote: post #93
littlestymaar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

> The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. That's very similar to the basis of _The Circle_ by Dave Eggers.

It's not only personal advertisements for consumerism. It's also personalized political messages. That is dangerous to the nations and states and their citizens.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by moritzwarhier »

LocalH wrote: post #151
october8140 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled. I also live in a US st…

Sounds dystopian to me, I'd want to reconcile it by not allowing "one-party consent" for people to record me.

Not sure if the state laws you're referencing are in reality limited to phone calls, but I strongly dislike unregulated public camera use.

Your vision (no pun intended) is the story of the Black Mirror episode "The entire history of you", IMO from the show's golden age.

edit; I know that surveillance cameras pass this line already, but here they have to be announced with signs. And even when they aren't, to me state or police surveillance is different from potentially everyone stealthily recording me in private or public spaces.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by School-Cotton »

tomalpha wrote: post #85
jorvi wrote: post #79

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> toot sweet Not sure if intentional but just in case: the usual term is "tout de suite"

It might be in the original French, but it’s been anglicised and adopted as an English language term: https://www.oed.com/dictionary/toot-sweet_adv?tl=true

To be clear, it’s a jokey informal English language term, not a standard one.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by School-Cotton »

amitav1 wrote: post #117
iamnothere wrote: post #110

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Private businesses, however, can choose to refuse service for any reason as long as it’s not discriminatory. If enough businesses collaborated to create a “no camera glasses” policy, people might be less likely to buy them. This could keep the market small. Perhaps a good approach would be to pressure businesses about this. Frankly they probably don’t want pervasive recording of their employees anyway.

I highly doubt that businesses will take a stand against these camera glasses. The kind of people that buy these smart glasses are usually a) wealthy, and b) not very frugal. What business would want to turn away the people with lots of money?

> What business would want to turn away the people with lots of money?

Plenty? Random dive bars, for example, probably don’t care how rich you are (it’s not like a millionaire is going to buy 10x more $5 beers than an average person).

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by lokar »

LocalH wrote: post #151
october8140 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

I want to be able to use glasses with a camera, in situations which warrant it, to prevent people from gaslighting me or others about our conversations. Something like you see in dashcams, where it's always recording to a circular buffer of a few seconds to a minute, and then one can then enable "full" recording which dumps the buffer to storage and then starts saving everything until disabled. I also live in a US st…

Other people don’t have to agree to be around you if you insist on using a camera all the time. I wouldn’t.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by [deleted] »

paul7986 wrote: post #143
berkes wrote: post #140

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Indeed, this solution is in some way even worse. It teaches people to trust "Currently NonEvil Company™" to do the good thing. First, and obvious problem is that this "trains" us to rely on brands to protect us. And to keep doing this. Companies may have different interests than their consumers. Ideally and sometimes these interests are aligned. But nothing guarantees this remains so. Companies will "Become evil", if…

Apple is the privacy company already .. that's their brand and a brand that the public trusts. Overall why are we not up in arms about all the video cameras that record in all cities everyday which companies like Clearview and others have our public images in their databases yet we are up in arms about smart glasses? THis is a solution to this public debate and Apple hasnt released their glasses yet and they are a pr…

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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by avidiax »

Bender wrote: post #92

Semi-related question. Is there a method to print a picture on a t-shirt that can only be viewed by a camera and not be the naked eye? If so I would like to print images on the front and back of the shirt that would get the glasshole or cell phone cameras banned from their platforms.

You could make a moire pattern, but it would probably be pretty hard to get it flat enough on a shirt, and it wouldn't be distinct enough to get interpreted by AI.
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