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Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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drusepth wrote: post #72
jastanton wrote: post #56

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> I can't concieve even the flimsiest of reasons why anyone would ever listen to (or license/sync/track/ ) any of those generated songs once the novelty of "music made by the AI" is gone. Easy: Independent/single-dev operations needing some quick background music for a project (game, whatever)

Also: People (especially kids, students, etc) who want to make music but don't have the technical expertise to (yet?). Obviously these tools don't do everything necessary to make great music, but the barrier of entry to making music is being lowered, and the quality floor is being raised -- and that'll result in a lot more would-be "musicians"[0] creating music that wouldn't otherwise exist[1]. [0] I leave the argume…

o1's take on your bonus question seems reasonable :

Yes. Art can have intrinsic and personal value for its creator, independent of any external audience. Unseen art lacks immediate external value [to others] but retains latent worth, potentially realized when discovered or appreciated in the future.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by zaptrem »

column wrote: post #102

This looks pretty cool to integrate in hobby projects, however after creating an account via Google, clicking "Payment portal" shows this error : Error creating billing portal Failed to create billing portal session: No configuration provided and your live mode default configuration has not been created. Provide a configuration or create your default by saving your customer portal settings in live mode at https://das…

Stripe issue should be fixed, second issue likely happens if you go to the api page sometime in your session before going to the profile page and then you try to edit your picture. We'll work on that. Thanks for reporting!

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by frankhorrigan »

zaptrem wrote: post #149
AlexeyBelov wrote: post #148

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I think it's the opposite. They are not saying "those people shouldn't draw [using AI]", they are saying "those people should've been drawing all this time".

Many people may not have the time, talent, and/or dedication, but I still think they should get to make music.

They can do so anytime they pick up an instrument. But plugging things into AI is not making music.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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zaptrem wrote: post #139
duped wrote: post #138

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I feel like I've proven I know what I'm talking about at least from an ML perspective given we trained the model on the website. It's not strictly required, but I know you'll get much higher quality more powerful tools much more easily by building on top of a solid music foundation model than training a bunch of one-off specialized tools.

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Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by slater- »

naltroc wrote: post #59
bongodongobob wrote: post #13

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Yeah every musician has a story of writing a new song, bringing it to the band, and they say "oh, this sounds just like [song]." It's almost impossible to make something truly novel.

I have written and performed many songs over many bands. At no point did anybody compare my work to any other artist's work, because it is genuinely unique.

This is you, right?

https://cmahoney.bandcamp.com/track/deck-the-halls

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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emporas wrote: post #113
relaxing wrote: post #65

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I’m a pretty big music fan and I have no idea what you’re on about. Where did you get this theory? > The problem with real music, is that it requires a hefty amount of musicians to establish a genre. Why is establishing genre a goal in the first place? > This amount could be somewhere in the range of 100 to 1000 musicians. This is demonstrably false. Genre is defined by critical consensus, and it can arise around one…

>Why is establishing genre a goal in the first place? What is culture, if not a common agreement on what is beautiful and ugly? Establishing a genre in music is not a goal, but we see it happen over and over again. It is how humans operate since forever, we mimic one another in fashion, in music and many other things. > Genre is defined by critical consensus, and it can arise around one or a handful of bands. It aris…

I’m not sure if you misunderstand genre, or the way humans relate to music, or both? Culture is not genre. I don’t know anyone who listens to only the current year’s output from a single genre.

I haven’t done the analysis, but consider someone who listens to pop radio: if one new song per week makes it into heavy rotation I’d say that sounds like the right ballpark.

Personally I’d be ecstatic if there were 50 worthwhile new songs to listen to each year.

I understand synthetic data. I question whether anyone will accept the results.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by gazebo64 »

zaptrem wrote: post #149
AlexeyBelov wrote: post #148

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I think it's the opposite. They are not saying "those people shouldn't draw [using AI]", they are saying "those people should've been drawing all this time".

Many people may not have the time, talent, and/or dedication, but I still think they should get to make music.

Describing music to an AI is not "making music" the same way that hiring a musician and asking them to write you a rock song about a breakup is not "making music"

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by gazebo64 »

bambinella wrote: post #127
gazebo64 wrote: post #60

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This is already easily solved by using royalty-free music or by licensing pre-made music from numerous publicly available sound libraries online -- with the added benefit of supporting actual musicians instead of plagiarist tech middlemen.

I think you got this wrong. Usually you use one electronic musician to create all the background music (or license pre-existing popular music), and with music AI you make that musician more productive. It is not like non-musicians will even be able to select the bad from the good of the AI output. It takes a trained ear to build functional AI music as well. Nobody will hire live studio musicians or a symphony orchest…

What exactly am I getting wrong? You insisting that nobody hires studio musicians or orchestras, and claiming that "usually you hire one electronic musician" are both demonstrably false opinions that have almost no relation to my point that background music is obtainable through on-demand licensed libraries.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by Tepix »

6stringmerc wrote: post #119
Tepix wrote: post #103

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What rule is there against discussing piracy on HN?

This is promotion of piracy and trying to get the community to engage and validate it - if you can’t see the line then maybe take the time to learn that it exists and how to recognize it.

The courts haven't decided whether or not this is even considered piracy or fair use, besides there are courts all over the world...

Re: Show HN: Sonauto API – Generative music for developers

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Post by r618 »

bambinella wrote: post #122
r618 wrote: post #87

i've been occasionally trying to get some usable ambience tracks from these various models, but none of them seem to be able to produce looping tracks based on results so far it also looks like more flexible approach to ai generation would be to generate set of stems/samples based on user description and let them to actually compose instead of producing complete audio (maybe this is already happening somewhere) - in…

Creating looping sections with Sunauto is generally not very difficult as the model is overly consistent when extending, so all you have to do is extend without changing the prompt and you should get a loop point. If you have lyrics in your conditioning then you usually can use a [Chorus] section as your loop point as most music AI models render chorus section in away that affords crossfades. THAT ASSUMES that you ke…

- no lyrics and no chorus- i mentioned ambience track - these are instrumental, often minimalistic they don't attract attention...

> Creating looping sections with Sunauto is generally not very difficult as the model is overly consistent when extending

the point is not consistent extension, but consistent extension (if any) plus starting audio

have you actually did this and got usable looped track ?

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