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Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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I was looking into this space the other day, and the number of options has been growing. By my record there is: - https://www.goodreads.com - https://thestorygraph.com - https://fable.co - https://hardcover.app - https://joinbookwyrm.com I was actually trying to determine the best free source of metadata for books. I was hoping for something like MusicBrainz. The best I could find seemed to be https://openlibrary.org…

In case you don't know, there is also BookBrainz: https://bookbrainz.org/

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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> 10-star rating system (More nuance than 5 stars) Does one really get anything meaningful out of saying this was a 6-star book vs a 7-star book? Personally I think 4 levels is sufficient. Either it's rather bad, not bad but not good, good but not great or it's great. Anything beyond that will have to be written in words.

I completely agree. I've never read a 1-star (to me) book because that implies it's unreadable, and anything good enough to keep my attention room is generally 4-stars and rarely 5-stars. I bet if I look at my Goodreads it's 60% 4s, 30% 3s, and 10% 5s

I don't rate books on Goodreads, but I do look at the average rating when deciding to read a book. I won't start anything less than about 3.7 or 3.8.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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I guess at this point if you want to do something new/modern, go for 4- or 8-star rating rather than 5- or 10-star rating. It'll force people to choose something other than middle. I hate to find 3/5 book which really deserves 2/5 but people didn't want to leave somewhat negative feedback.

Maybe out of context, but the real value of Goodreads is the sheer number of content (books, reviews, lists, users, etc). If something _works_ there's not always a reason to break it and/or update it just for the sake of updating. Look at hardcore Salesforce tools, they look like they're from 90s, but they work perfectly fine. If that's your only motivation, it's impossible to win me over as a user.

Side-note: create a new book list and call it DNF, add the books that you didn't finish to that list and get it done with.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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> 10-star rating system (More nuance than 5 stars) Does one really get anything meaningful out of saying this was a 6-star book vs a 7-star book? Personally I think 4 levels is sufficient. Either it's rather bad, not bad but not good, good but not great or it's great. Anything beyond that will have to be written in words.

Having worked on a rating system, I think 10 levels are useful (or 5 levels with half-stars). You can create better averages/recs using 10 levels, since ratings of 0 or 10, which are often spammy, can be down-weighed.

I once had an interesting conversation with my mother in law who was telling us about how much thought and effort she puts into scoring shows on IMDB. She was shocked to learn that I want my opinion to have more impact, so If I like a show I give 10 and if I didn't it gets 1.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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I don't mind a goodreads alternative, but regarding the UI from 2005, I am not sure I care. It works and people are used to it. I am not a supporter of "let's try build a new interface using shiny new technology" for the sake of new .

A dated UI is fine by me, but at no point did the current placement of the search field make any sense for the average user. It is de-emphasised, hidden almost below the fold, as if searching for reviews of a particular title wasn't the thing most visitors come there for. Of course there are plenty of monetisation and engagement reasons for that UI item to be awkwardly placed… Kaguya seems a little better here, but i…

The search bar is only weird on the home page, which I don't imagine is visited very much. I bet most people jump to a books page from a browser or phone search.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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I was looking into this space the other day, and the number of options has been growing. By my record there is: - https://www.goodreads.com - https://thestorygraph.com - https://fable.co - https://hardcover.app - https://joinbookwyrm.com I was actually trying to determine the best free source of metadata for books. I was hoping for something like MusicBrainz. The best I could find seemed to be https://openlibrary.org…

My personal project, https://rate.house, is kinda like goodreads but for all types of media.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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Goodfilms (goodfil.ms), rest in peace, had a great two-rating system with Quality and Rewatchability, because the latter turned out to be a really useful metric. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3082241 One of the main frustrations I have with Goodreads is how limited the API is nowadays, and how there appear to be no measures against brigading and other campaigns. One of the core issues with ratings services. Pe…

How does one use an average Rewatchability score to determine whether one should watch a movie? If I'm trying to pick a movie, I don't care what its score for rewatching is, I care about what its score is for watching it the first time. And once I've watched a movie, I don't care about whether other people say I should watch it again, I care about whether I want to watch it again. A movie is different from buying a b…

To present an opposite viewpoint, I try to only engage with media I suspect future me will be able to revisit and pull enjoyment out of at least once. I rarely actually do so, but I've found it to be a remarkably effective quality filter.

It's also a genre independent quality metric. That's not to be underplayed. Some examples of films that successfully passed it for me: Casablanca; Portrait of a Lady on Fire; Hereditary; Under the Skin; My Neighbor Totoro; The Fifth Element. I'm pretty sure most people would agree at least half of these movies are good.

It turns out most of the things I consider worth revisiting at least once are also things other people would consider that way. So for me a Rewatchability rating is a positive signal.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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I was looking into this space the other day, and the number of options has been growing. By my record there is: - https://www.goodreads.com - https://thestorygraph.com - https://fable.co - https://hardcover.app - https://joinbookwyrm.com I was actually trying to determine the best free source of metadata for books. I was hoping for something like MusicBrainz. The best I could find seemed to be https://openlibrary.org…

This has long been considered one of Goodreads' big advantages: its massive publication database, ISBN and all. But recently Anna's Archive has been making quite a bit of noise about their considerable ISBN database:

https://annas-archive.org/blog/

This may well be a great opportunity to seed a Goodreads alternative.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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Why do you use supabase and not just postgres? Do you use supabase’s api interface to do the queries? Or do you use supabase for other features?

When I first started working on the website nine months ago, I didn’t even know what Postgres was, so going with an easier option made sense. Right now, we also use Supabase for auth and emails. For queries, we don’t use Supabase’s API interface—we interact with Postgres directly through our backend

Thanks for your answer. Interesting take that you did not know about postgres, but chose an api for storage instead. I would have done the opposite.

Re: Show HN: I built a modern Goodreads alternative

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having worked on a rating system, I think 10 levels are useful (or 5 levels with half-stars). You can create better averages/recs using 10 levels, since ratings of 0 or 10, which are often spammy, can be down-weighed.

I once had an interesting conversation with my mother in law who was telling us about how much thought and effort she puts into scoring shows on IMDB. She was shocked to learn that I want my opinion to have more impact, so If I like a show I give 10 and if I didn't it gets 1.

Yes, but sadly a 10 is often used by fans of a lead actor to pump the ratings, and a 0/1 is used by the moral police as a protest vote.
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