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Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

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In the before-times, this would’ve been life-altering for devs who would frequently travel by plane.

Pre-pandemic, remember computering in economy class? You were lucky if you could see your laptop screen! With this gadget, your screen is all around you and your keyboard can literally be on your lap.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fairly high-end headset attached to a compoarably powerful laptop, and the cost reflects the combined cost of both parts. It's expensive but the price makes sense.

> attached to a compoarably powerful laptop This is the part that doesn't make sense. I don't need a computer from a product manufacturer focused on something else. I already have 10+ computers within reach; 3 of them can stream just fine to my Oculus Quest. Really, is the only way to create a VR PC to eschew all of that in favor of some controlled hardware ecosystem? I don't/won't buy it.

You have 10+ computers within reach but you're complaining about price? You do realise the irony here don't you?

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

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I see a lot of comments on the pricing of this hardware. It's going to be more expensive (for the end user) to build a headset (and FOSS window manager) than a product like the quest. Meta has a suite of products bringing in capitol by selling user PII. Valve has a distribution platform to offset costs. If you want to see a product that is open end to end and is not part of an ecosystem selling your information, then…

This is all true, but it also doesn't mean the that the current high price was the only possible approach. I see decisions made in the design that don't look great from cost-benefit standpoint. For example, this is being marketed mainly as a productivity tool. Wireless is certainly important for gaming when you are moving around in your environment, but people using this are primarily going to be in a stationary position either sitting or lying down. Why do they need the computer in the headset, which makes upgrading impossible, and for it to function completely wirelessly?

It seems like prioritizing the integrated computer and the untethered experience increases the cost for little benefit. This is especially true considering this thing likely won't have great battery life so operating completely wirelessly won't be possible for extended periods of time anyway. What would this device cost if the primary design objective was to create an open wired headset and the software to accompany it? Whatever that is, it would be a more attractive value proposition for me personally and therefore likely for other customers too.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#154

This looks like a decent deal looking deeper into it. Things that weren't obvious on first pass: (1) The VR specs are much higher than consumer level. I suspect this is what makes it reasonable to read text on it. The comparison headset is this: https://varjo.com/products/aero/ (They named it, but didn't google it) (2) They said "VR Computer" but don't define the term. They mean that it's a full PC with a headset ins…

Upvoted for the excellent feedback. 1. We'll do a better job defining the term "VR Computer" in our sales page. 2. We'll consider adding a keyboard/mouse as optional add-ons. We have thought about including a "keyboard apron" as an item add-on that is actually differentiated from other keyboards, and one that would be particularly useful for VR computing (with the added freedom of movement).[1] Would something like t…

I have the opposite opinion as the parent post re: keyboard/mouse. If I'm buying a piece of kit like this I have very strong opinions already re: my input devices. Unless you can make good margin on the keyboard/mouse option I think you're just adding friction and expense to your internal processes to support it.

As an aside: I've tried to learn a chording keyboard in the past without much success. In a desktop setting a chording keyboard never increased my productivity enough to make it worth the learning curve. A chording keyboard with this platform would be a much more positive value proposition for me.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#155

Man, what has HAPPENED to this place? I'm the biggest curmudgeon in the room, I'll have six feet of dirt on my face before I agree to use this daily, but damn, folks, this IS cool. Everyone complains about boring stagnating consumer tech, locked-down hardware, and Mark Zuckerberg making a real go at personally stalking every single person on the planet - this is the _exact opposite of that_. This is high-end, incredi…

Agreed 100%. I saw this and immediately fell in love. This is incredible and I'm super stoked to see how it comes out.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#156

As a VR developer, I'm super excited about your device. I work for a foreign language instruction service, where we teach adults in diplomatic and security service settings. We've built a VR app that lets our students meet with their instructors remotely and practice language skills in culturally-appropriate settings. In that capacity, I've done a lot of pricing out of VR kits and evaluation of devices. It became pre…

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Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#157
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yean unfortunately I would not use this thing in public, I think it would just get stolen. I have a $2K camera (body only) that I'm afraid to use in public, seems silly I know. But I think I'll try to use my Index more see if I can get into that idea of using VR for work. I hope they figured out the blurry edges of text when you don't look at it just right, maybe that's a lower resolution display issue. I'm intereste…

The blurry edges is both an optics and display resolution issue, and also potentially a fit adjustment thing. Our optics are currently in prototype production but we'll have the first units in a few weeks. Can post some through the lens shots then and check for any issues like that.

> Can post some through the lens shots then and check for any issues like that.

That sounds good. Good luck, I've subscribed to one of your guys YT channels to keep up.

edit: ehh I've lost $2.5K on crypto already, I'll just do the 50% pre-order for this.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#158

This looks like a decent deal looking deeper into it. Things that weren't obvious on first pass: (1) The VR specs are much higher than consumer level. I suspect this is what makes it reasonable to read text on it. The comparison headset is this: https://varjo.com/products/aero/ (They named it, but didn't google it) (2) They said "VR Computer" but don't define the term. They mean that it's a full PC with a headset ins…

Upvoted for the excellent feedback. 1. We'll do a better job defining the term "VR Computer" in our sales page. 2. We'll consider adding a keyboard/mouse as optional add-ons. We have thought about including a "keyboard apron" as an item add-on that is actually differentiated from other keyboards, and one that would be particularly useful for VR computing (with the added freedom of movement).[1] Would something like t…

> 2. We'll consider adding a keyboard/mouse as optional add-ons. We have thought about including a "keyboard apron" as an item add-on that is actually differentiated from other keyboards, and one that would be particularly useful for VR computing (with the added freedom of movement).[1] Would something like this interest you? Note that we'd use a more accessible keyboard than the 40% "Corne keyboard" one shown in the photo.

I can't use a computer without having a keyboard, and I can't use a keyboard without being able to see it.

If you can solve both of those, then I'll seriously consider acquiring one. Perhaps not version one, but version two for sure. Something closer to a traditional keyboard would suit me better, however; I'm not likely to be walking around while wearing this.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#159
Holy shit, this is fucking cool, guys. I would love one. I might just buy one. It’s just the sticker shock that’s holding me back but this is fresh tech so I can understand the price point. Congrats on releasing!

By the way, I think I found the AR interactions sort of strange. I think most people will have some sort of trouble talking to an unresponsive face (the problem with the eyes covered is that they’re so expressive in people).

Since I ride a motorcycle as my primary transport, I sometimes just leave my helmet on so I can walk up to my office without needing to switch to a mask. I find that people find it harder to talk to me unless I compensate hard with gestures and full body expressions.

The upshot of this whole thing was that I was wondering if even the most mild form of expressing something, like say a 64x24 LED display on the front headplate that lit up in eye shapes to express friendliness would help. Or perhaps it can’t be helped; and we just have to do the same thing we do where we take earbuds out to say “I’m paying attention”.

I’m sure you guys considered all this. Very curious to see what you thought about.

Re: Show HN: Simula One – Portable Linux VR Computer

#160

Man, what has HAPPENED to this place? I'm the biggest curmudgeon in the room, I'll have six feet of dirt on my face before I agree to use this daily, but damn, folks, this IS cool. Everyone complains about boring stagnating consumer tech, locked-down hardware, and Mark Zuckerberg making a real go at personally stalking every single person on the planet - this is the _exact opposite of that_. This is high-end, incredi…

Thank you for the kind words. Even if VR computers aren't for everyone, we promise to keep things weird.
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