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Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#151
Few thoughts/comments:

- I like the overall idea and execution seems great. It's even free so you're reducing a lot of friction, great job.

- My gut reaction is that except in very few settings, once a day delivery is going to be problematic. Perhaps a once an hour, or once every 2-3 hours delivery could be supported. Unfortunately that will defeat the entire purpose, so am not really sure. I guess you'll have to just wait and watch how it's being adopted and adjust if needed.

- Not sure how the backend works, but if you're pooling all requests for delivery at the same time you will have very high peaks with mostly idle time in between. Am curious how you are adjusting for that? AWS Lambda??

- How about delivering the messages via email over SMTP, so that this becomes an email client and takes care of having person at the other end also having Pony. A lot of people may like reading/drafting emails at quiet times, periodically say every 2 hours. Again, this is not inline with the original intent of this, so not suggesting you change anything just something to keep in mind depending on the traction you get.

All the best!!

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#152
As someone who lived with the pony express this brings back memories :)

I like this micro-blogging distribution concept. It's like a micro substack distribution.

As someone who generally abhors social networking, I like anything that has substance and limits spam.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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post #151

Few thoughts/comments: - I like the overall idea and execution seems great. It's even free so you're reducing a lot of friction, great job. - My gut reaction is that except in very few settings, once a day delivery is going to be problematic. Perhaps a once an hour, or once every 2-3 hours delivery could be supported. Unfortunately that will defeat the entire purpose, so am not really sure. I guess you'll have to jus…

There is one setting where once a day delivery is beyond acceptable: Any time you would be willing to send a written letter by postal mail.

For content of that nature, once a day is well beyond what's expected of the postal service. About the fastest you can exchange letters with someone by post is one week round trip, assuming a letter and a reply.

It is also well-proven that humanity is able to maintain human connection and relationships using mailed postal letters, so once a day is certainly no barrier in that regard.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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post #151

Few thoughts/comments: - I like the overall idea and execution seems great. It's even free so you're reducing a lot of friction, great job. - My gut reaction is that except in very few settings, once a day delivery is going to be problematic. Perhaps a once an hour, or once every 2-3 hours delivery could be supported. Unfortunately that will defeat the entire purpose, so am not really sure. I guess you'll have to jus…

Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback and kind words yumraj. My thoughts:

> once a day delivery is going to be problematic. Perhaps a once an hour, or once every 2-3 hours delivery could be supported.

I've gone back and forth on this many times myself. To the point where the backend actually does support two deliveries already :). It's been a really tough call! Ultimately I decided to double down on sticking to the unique value proposition that this offers. I don't mean to sound too self serious but although this app tweaks one little parameter (instantaneity) the result is pretty dramatic. Lessening the impact of that result, as you observe, would defeat the point. I think traction/adoption will involve the people intuitively "get it" right away using it (fortunately such people do exist, which has been a really nice affirmation for me), and helping spread and explain the concept.

> requests for delivery at the same time you will have very high peaks with mostly idle time in between.

The infrastructure is described here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29280539, but essentially I have not optimized yet for peaks etc. This will be a great problem to have, and should be solvable with telemetry, scaling, "pre-delivery" etc.

> How about delivering the messages via email over SMTP, so that this becomes an email client and takes care of having person at the other end also having Pony.

The first iteration of Pony was an email service. It turned out that breaking the cardinal rule of "Don't Fix Email" was, indeed, a bad idea. I didn't even try to properly launch it, because the very first piece of feedback I got was about how "wonderfully rebellious" Pony was—which was pretty sad for me because the last thing I wanted was for Pony to be perceived as anti-social by people. I wanted to make a platform that was pro-social. It turned out that established platforms like email have their own set of norms and expectations, and trying to unilaterally violate those norms is a big social no-no. That's why this version is a self-contained platform. It's less accessible, but with all parties on the platform, all the expectations are really clear.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#157

Are there email clients that group emails by sender in the same way that messaging clients do? I realized recently that an email client structured in this way could encourage long-form messaging similar to what Pony aims to do, though such an email client would still lack the once-a-day dynamic. Alternatively, Pony could maybe piggyback on email by providing an email address that proxies to each Pony account.

Spike does this. Spikenow dot com.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#158
post #151

Few thoughts/comments: - I like the overall idea and execution seems great. It's even free so you're reducing a lot of friction, great job. - My gut reaction is that except in very few settings, once a day delivery is going to be problematic. Perhaps a once an hour, or once every 2-3 hours delivery could be supported. Unfortunately that will defeat the entire purpose, so am not really sure. I guess you'll have to jus…

There is one setting where once a day delivery is beyond acceptable: Any time you would be willing to send a written letter by postal mail. For content of that nature, once a day is well beyond what's expected of the postal service. About the fastest you can exchange letters with someone by post is one week round trip, assuming a letter and a reply. It is also well-proven that humanity is able to maintain human conne…

> There is one setting where once a day delivery is beyond acceptable: Any time you would be willing to send a written letter by postal mail.

Yep, that is a good heuristic!

I think it could be generalized by saying that anything that isn't time-bound or time-sensitive (i.e. making plans) is fine for once-daily delivery. Everything that is time-sensitive or perhaps just quick and low-effort should be kept in the instant realm, because that's why the Internet got so huge in the first place. The only problem was that absolutely everything became instant and no non-instant ways to communicate online were left, thereby making it pretty hard to have correspondence like people used to correspond. Which is the problem Pony tries to address.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#159

Are there email clients that group emails by sender in the same way that messaging clients do? I realized recently that an email client structured in this way could encourage long-form messaging similar to what Pony aims to do, though such an email client would still lack the once-a-day dynamic. Alternatively, Pony could maybe piggyback on email by providing an email address that proxies to each Pony account.

Not exactly what you asked for (full email client), but DeltaChat is an email client disguised as an instant messaging app.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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post #96

Awesome, problem is to convince everyone to use pony. Would be great to move this to for instance browser extensions for slack, gmail, and if techincally possible whatsapp. At least my sending can get scheduled. And maybe also autoresponders. Wont be exactly the same.

Yes, that will definitely be the big challenge. I don't think we will convince everyone. Not everyone wants or needs the type of interpersonal connection that Pony is designed to support. But I think that's okay: my bet is that enough people will appreciate having the Pony option to have made it worthwhile to have built. I wanted it anyway... :)

This isn't meant to replace instant communication, but to augment instant communication.

It will definitely take a lot of communicating and explaining and showing value to people who don't get it right away. And that's fine! That's what makes this a business endeavor :).

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