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Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by gnicholas »

trizoza wrote: post #2

Hi all, I made this project to help myself stay up to date with automotive industry because I love cars and anything related to them. It gathers the latest automotive news from more than 20 auto portals. Allows users to submit articles, comment, and upvote. I got quite literally inspired by HN and was mindblown why such a thing does not exist for automotive industry. Also users can subscribe to a newsletter that deli…

Lots of people here are saying the UI and images detract from the site. I think it is possible that people who are into cars are different than people who are into hackery, and that perhaps this criticism should be discarded.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by seirim »

mkoryak wrote: post #150
seirim wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, we didn't hear that input before so thank you we will see how to improve that. See in the top right icons there is a 'moon' that turns on a night time mode, might be helpful. I just ran our site through the Web Accessibility contrast checker at webaim.org to compare the headlines (what we think people want to scan and focus on) to the background. The contrast score is a very high and passing 14.5/1 ratio. We make…

Compare your site with hn on "bedtime mode" in android 11. It's the mode that makes the screen grayscale. In fact I'm sure you can emulate it. Some text on your site is too light, and the contrast is meh. Otherwise, nice site, I'll be sure to check it out again in color tomorrow :)

ok thank you we'll check that. I do think our night time styling could be darker, for sure. I use Dark Reader usually for most sites and appreciate sites not being too bright in the eyes at the wrong times.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by systemvoltage »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #110
dragonwriter wrote: post #96

Gratuitous images by each story, slow enough to load that it benefits from a cutesy loading spinner, cookies for tailored marketing, email signup box after the 10th story, fat banner that uses the hamburger menu icon but doesn’t trust it to be communicative enough so also has “Menu” in text on the button... That’s...not a Hacker News for X.

I agree with your larger point but in a different way — Hacker News is not defined by UI, but community. I’m sure that there is a Hacker News for auto out there already, I’d guess it’s a myBB forum.

HN design and its spartan interface is an overwhelmingly and the primary reason for its success (of course content, people, moderation, etc as well). If it were a phpBB board, or a discourse forum, it just wouldn't be the same. People are addicted to this site for its usability and simplicity.

We've seen mass exodus from Digg and Reddit. The inflection point is always design, 2008 when they messed up the Digg UX with promoted posts, the whole website went down in a dumpster fire. Reddit has been the same but inflection point was carried out through a couple of years as they went to a new design. Still, old.reddit.com is popular. Reddit has too much influx of new users, high churn rate to keep it from burning down.

Design is the reason for IBM. It is why Apple exists, Nike, Stripe, etc. Sure, a company can be successful without good design, but the ones that are built with design as a cornerstone of its foundation, are easy to spot - HN is one of those IMO.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by Talanes »

Fats wrote: post #144
frongpik wrote: post #113

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Why? It's a great delivery. It may sound harsh only to our truth-allergic world of big corps.

I fail to see the connection to the "big corps" here, nor being allergic to the truth. This is about being nicer, as a human being. Becoming more empathetic towards a person who is showing their product for the world to see for the first time. Of course it may have perceived flaws. Do you choose to beat the person for doing it that way, or do you want to offer gentle advice in order to help them? The motive behind th…

>The motive behind the comment is hidden in its delivery.

This is exactly why there is blowback to the suggestion that GGP was not being nice enough. It comes across as a desire to obscure the motive of that comment.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by FabiansMustDie »

deepfriedbits wrote: post #121
frongpik wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's a great delivery. It may sound harsh only to our truth-allergic world of big corps.

Eh you can say as much in a more delicate way – deliver every one of those points. I’m not going to feel bad for thinking we can all be nicer to each other.

Niceness does nothing but waste emotional energy to please another.

There's no reason for it, except personal preference.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by NalNezumi »

systemvoltage wrote: post #153
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your larger point but in a different way — Hacker News is not defined by UI, but community. I’m sure that there is a Hacker News for auto out there already, I’d guess it’s a myBB forum.

HN design and its spartan interface is an overwhelmingly and the primary reason for its success (of course content, people, moderation, etc as well). If it were a phpBB board, or a discourse forum, it just wouldn't be the same. People are addicted to this site for its usability and simplicity. We've seen mass exodus from Digg and Reddit. The inflection point is always design, 2008 when they messed up the Digg UX with…

>HN design and its spartan interface is an overwhelmingly and the primary reason for its success

I don't think so, even considering the paranthesis cases. People are addicted to its consistency. It stays the same, the way it worked, and stick to the principles of "don't fix if it aint broke". A forum is primary a forum, where people share ideas.

Trying to force in the industrial design principles of "best design" in to a forum is mixing up the true intention of "best design" thinking.

No such thing as "best design", there's just "different" design. Better design is the excuse producer give consumer to sell something similar yet different, implementing planned obsolecense through deisgn by making the consumer reaching for the "new" design. works for Apple, Nike, Stripe you name it because they constantly want to sell new products, that competes with their old product. To make a profit, the design becomes design for the sake of design. That principle goes against what a forum is supposed to be.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by onion2k »

systemvoltage wrote: post #153
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your larger point but in a different way — Hacker News is not defined by UI, but community. I’m sure that there is a Hacker News for auto out there already, I’d guess it’s a myBB forum.

HN design and its spartan interface is an overwhelmingly and the primary reason for its success (of course content, people, moderation, etc as well). If it were a phpBB board, or a discourse forum, it just wouldn't be the same. People are addicted to this site for its usability and simplicity. We've seen mass exodus from Digg and Reddit. The inflection point is always design, 2008 when they messed up the Digg UX with…

People are addicted to this site for its usability and simplicity.

What this website looks like, how fast it loads, and how simple it is are not reasons to post here.

People post to contribute their thoughts to the community. There are people here who we want to discuss things with. There are topics we're interested in that we have opinions about. We each want to be seen to be curious or knowledgeable about tech things.

The design of HN is good because it lowers the barrier to posting. It's simple and obvious how to use it[1]. Those are good things but they're not enough to keep people here. That comes from the links and the comments.

Good design isn't enough to make people here stay on a website. Bad design is enough for people to leave.

[1] Apart from all the stuff new users don't understand like the black bar, the username colors, why comments turn grey, why you can or can't vote etc. Those bits are less good design.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by ivan1783 »

Does not seem to contain much "industry" news but rather "consumer" news. I am in industry and working on those cars, they are done and off of my desk 2 years before the public even sees them, its all just history for me...Industry news should talk about things like the current µ-chip shortage, sales, regulations, engineering, etc.

Re: Show HN: I made a Hacker News for the automotive industry

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Post by wombatmobile »

mod wrote: post #123
nicbou wrote: post #112

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I don't think it's snotty. The criticism is valid and straightforward. Your comment, on the other hand, brings up the person's post history to make a personal attack. It doesn't address the point being made in any way. This is not the sort of behaviour that's expected on HN.

More interestingly, they picked a top-15 karma account to criticize. I'm guessing the GGP is a bit more well-versed about what is good HN commenting than GP.

> I'm guessing the GGP is a bit more well-versed about what is good HN commenting than GP.

You're conflating high karma with "goodness".

The former is as much a consequence of quantity as it is an indicator of quality. The latter is in the eye of the beholder.

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