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Is there any good reason this isn't the case in America yet?

A good reason? No. A reason? Lobbying.

It’s interesting to me that people assume it’s lobbying, and not the fact that Americans are the most anti-tax people on the planet, creating a strong constituency for making tax filing difficult to increase public visibility of tax rates.

In the 2020 election, pretty much every ballot measure to increase taxes failed, including in blue states like Illinois and Colorado.

Other countries have lobbying too. What they don’t have is a huge population that hates taxes with a passion.

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#152
I've wondered why this didn't exist for a long time. I thought I heard something about an issue of liability in case some part of the process is incorrect, which the "Big Boys" (TurboTax etc) have worked around or priced into their business model.

At any rate, I'm grateful, and I will consider using this. I may just have to find a way to doublecheck the work done.

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This is really cool, and I'd like to encourage work like this. I currently don't think I can recommend this to others because: It isn't immediately obvious who is running the site. whois info lists a Canadian privacy company. The site doesn't have an about page. Github has contributor info, which may help. Tax returns need to be private and accurate. If it's hard to verify that the authors are even in the US, it's ha…

It looks very easy to just build this from source, which is what privacy-concerned users would do anyway

Heh, I'll probably build from source, and then run in a VM (via QubesOS) without Internet access.

Re: Show HN: ustaxes.org – open-source tax filing webapp

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the good reason: some people are philosophically opposed to easy taxes - people should be painfully aware of the money they are giving to the government. (sort of like folks who have VAT complain about advertised US retail prices which don't include tax) The bad reason: Lobbying by intuit and parties to prevent easy tax preparation. Their ROI on regulatory capture is very very good.

> the good reason: some people are philosophically opposed to easy taxes - people should be painfully aware of the money they are giving to the government. That’s only a good reason if you’re opposed to the actual programs and/or outcomes. If you favor those programs and outcomes, making people “painfully aware” of their cost almost certainly undermines them. Which... > The bad reason: Lobbying by intuit and parties…

> That’s only a good reason if you’re opposed to the actual programs and/or outcomes. If you favor those programs and outcomes, making people “painfully aware” of their cost almost certainly undermines them.

Not at all. I support bigger government providing more services. I’d happily pay a lot more taxes. But I also support forcing people to grapple with the cost of government once a year. They should be making the informed decision to pay more or less taxes, not acquiescing to it merely because the government automatically takes their money and makes it so they never have to think about how much.

My brother in law, who is 20 and just starting to have to pay taxes, called my wife and I to complain. It’s an easy form for him to fill out, but he had to write a check because his employers didn’t withhold enough. I felt like it was an excellent learning experience.

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#155
Turbo Tax has a limit on number of trades. And takes a long time to process them. Are they sleep'ing a lot or does it really take a minute for 100 trades?

I'm wondering if this can be improved. Especially for cryptocurrency processing. The cryptocurrency tax solutions are woefully inadequate. I was surprised considering how much marketing and polish they have.

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I think something that would help to make people much more aware of their tax rates is getting rid of automated W-2 deductions, so that virtually all taxpayers would individually have to pay money out of their own bank accounts. Having the filing process be complicated or tedious doesn't really do much to give people a more accurate perspective on the financial burden of taxation to them. If you could get your tax fo…

Same thing for me! "That's a third of my salary!"[1] But after getting a master's degree for free from the government and looking forward to free health care, kindergarten and cheap public transport for the rest of my life, I can't really complain. [1] Note that the Norwegian tax system is progressive, so median wage earners don't pay as much as that.

The American tax system is much more progressive. Median wage earners in Norway don’t pay that much, but as I understand it the top tax bracket kicks in around 1.6 times the average income (under $100,000). In the US, the top tax bracket doesn’t kick in until $518,000 for single people.

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#157

A few things: The title in the HTML is still "React App" There is very little information about this. Why should I trust this? I see the option to print, is that my only option?

Because it's a quite simple react act for which the OP linked the repo instead of the website for a reason? You can scan the source pretty quickly, or run it from a VM with no internet access.

Re: Show HN: ustaxes.org – open-source tax filing webapp

#158
Related project:

OpenTaxSolver (http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/):

OpenTaxSolver (OTS) is a free, safe + secure program for calculating Tax Form entries for Federal and State personal income taxes. It automatically fills-out and prints your forms.

I've used OTS for the last three or four years now to do my taxes, it does work for the task.

Re: Show HN: ustaxes.org – open-source tax filing webapp

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In the US, IRS takes the tax cut before you even see your funds in the bank account. This can be adjusted by filling out the dependents #. Basically, allowing you to have some ability to adjust based on your needs. The IRS knows everything about your taxes. The filing process is about allowing the citizen to make deductions and providing flexibility by default . I actually prefer it this way. Note that I’m not saying…

All of that is the same here in Sweden, the main difference is: we get a pre-filled tax form with everything Skatteverket (the Tax Authority) knows about your income. You are free to adjust as you need, you can make deductions as you would in the US, we just don't have to pay for software to help fill out our forms. Why you would prefer to have to re-enter data that your government already has and that they will matc…

> Why you would prefer to have to re-enter data that your government already has and that they will match against your own data I don't really understand...

Complacency, complexity, corruption, and conservatism.

First, there's a strong status quo bias. The system works as-is, and the tax code is also set up in a way that's relatively simple for the median worker, so there's not a huge benefit to a change. Additionally, the IRS may not have enough data because data collection itself is decentralized. For example, married Americans typically file joint taxes, but the IRS has no way of telling who a taxpayer's spouse is until filing time.

Second, a lot of the complexity of US tax law happens on the deduction side, rather than the income side. The US has last-dollar deductions from taxes, so deductions are worth proportionally more for higher-income filers, but the IRS won't necessarily know about charitable deductions or mortgage interest or home office expenses.

Third is the aforementioned corruption -- tax-preparation firms consistently lobby against any sort of automatic return. Their arguments are relatively thin: they claim that automatic returns would have people not claiming tax credits they're eligible for and that developing automatic returns would be a waste of government money. In the meantime, they've collectively agreed to a "free file" program for moderate-income Americans -- only the program is barely advertised and full of "pushes" to paid tax offerings.

Lastly is the ideology of fiscal conservatism in the United States. Anti-tax politicians (usually Republicans) argue that automatic filing would make it easier for future governments to raise taxes, since people would not have to calculate themselves how much they're paying in federal tax. This is often coupled with farfetched offers to greatly simplify the tax code by (e.g.) replacing it with a flat income tax that collects much less revenue.

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The second one is new to me. It's really fascinating how they choose a set of policies and work hard to construct a reality that supports the policy positions. It strikes me as so backwards. It's tinfoil hat, but my only conclusion is the actual reasons for the policy are so incredibly unpopular that they invent these realities to obscure them.

How are they “constructing a reality?” How much taxes you pay is the reality. They’re trying to draw more attention to it, by forcing you to look the numbers in the face once a year. That’s not “constructing reality” it’s drawing attention to it. I love paying my taxes and support higher taxes with more government services. But I agree with Norquist that it’s a useful exercise for people to go through once a year and…

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