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Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by marcamillion »

dejan wrote: post #37
d2p wrote: post #33

Sounded interesting, but it seems abit misleading to me.. The title says "unlimited" and the page says: > We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth. yet the pricing page says: > up to 100 outgoing emails per day Even the most expensive plan says 2000. I'm not saying it's unreasonable, but it's certainly not unlimited in that respect.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It depends how you look at it. All email services have limits. However, the limits we set are more as a protection for ourselves and our users. We have to deal with spammers, phishing attacks etc. We diversify based on the actual, realistic needs of the organisation. For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag. In practice we have yet…

I appreciate the fact that you guys made product decisions, but this statement was a little red-flag to me:

> For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag.

There are many startups that do cold outreach, via cold emailing, that could do roughly 500 emails per day. I am not sure how typical this is, but as someone that has started doing sending cold emails as a direct sales tool, it seems to me that you just haven't had any customers like that yet.

If you do though, don't assume they are spammers.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by awill »

skartik wrote: post #149
jaflo wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got it to work, what step are you stuck on?

SPF

I got it working with Cloudflare add a TXT record under name, enter (without quotes) '@' under key, enter (without quotes) 'v=spf1 a mx include:spf.migadu.com ~all'

You must delete all other SPF TXT entries (so if you were previously on google hosted, delete the Google SPF record.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by awill »

Just switched over my Google hosted domains to this. I really only need email, so GSuite is overkill. Why does my throw away email address need a youtube/calendar/google+ account...... I actually originally switched from my old gmail address to my GApps email, but Google ruined it by making GApp accounts inferior. You can't do tons of stuff (Family Library is just 1 example), so I switched back. I use my gmail account as a webclient for my other accounts (pop/smtp).

I got Google apps when it launched and was a great free option. Now they're removed free accounts, and even on the grandfathered free accounts, they don't let you add new domains anymore... I really just have 1 important account, and unimportant ones for hobby domains, so this is a great option for me. I considered PO Box for my important account, but for now, I'll just try this for all my domains.

I really like the simplicity. I sent some test emails: Google and my work's exchange correctly get the email. outlook.com flagged as spam. I only have 2 concerns. 1, they need 2FA ASAP (which they've acknowledged), and 2, how long will these guys be around. How many employees are there, how much investment. It would suck if 12 months from now they shut down. It would be a scramble to move something as important as email. Rather than shutdown, most companies in these types of businesses up the price, remove features from the cheaper plans etc...there's no promise of price lock-in here, but since that's their market, I suspect they're aware of the effect a price increase might have.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dejan »

zonywhoop wrote: post #143

Are there any plans to allow people to utilize an API to create and manage accounts or forwards? If not, this would be awesome feature given how you bill.

We are planning to release an API soon. Thank you for suggesting it!

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dejan »

marcamillion wrote: post #151
dejan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It depends how you look at it. All email services have limits. However, the limits we set are more as a protection for ourselves and our users. We have to deal with spammers, phishing attacks etc. We diversify based on the actual, realistic needs of the organisation. For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag. In practice we have yet…

I appreciate the fact that you guys made product decisions, but this statement was a little red-flag to me: > For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag. There are many startups that do cold outreach, via cold emailing, that could do roughly 500 emails per day. I am not sure how typical this is, but as someone that has started doing sending cold emails as a direct s…

You are absolutely right. However, our limits are not really hard limits. If someone occasionally needs to send more emails we do not make a fuss about it. However, a red flag (thanks for mentioning it :) goes up and we check if everything is ok. We never sanction users.

We do have sales teams using Migadu. However, they simply estimated how much they would send and signed up for the higher plan. It's straight forward I believe.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dx034 »

tyingq wrote: post #58
mstade wrote: post #23

Anyone here used Fastmail but migrated to this service, and able to provide a more detailed comparison? I'm happy with Fastmail, but Migadu's pricing is very appealing...

I would put Migadu more in the hobby category...they seem pretty upfront about their drawbacks: https://www.migadu.com/en/drawbacks.html If you have a domain where those drawbacks aren't showstoppers, you might also look at Yandex hosted email. Can't beat the price (free), it has decent storage (10GB) and the limit for sending is 500/day[1]. See: https://domain.yandex.com/domains_add/ [1] https://yandex.com/support/m…

Those drawbacks are also valid for any other small provider. Fastmail also has the problem of mails classified as spam. Really any service except the biggest 3-4 have occasional reputation problems.

The difference is just that Migadu is honest about it.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by Sgoettschkes »

d2p wrote: post #33

Sounded interesting, but it seems abit misleading to me.. The title says "unlimited" and the page says: > We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth. yet the pricing page says: > up to 100 outgoing emails per day Even the most expensive plan says 2000. I'm not saying it's unreasonable, but it's certainly not unlimited in that respect.

It makes all the other pages look like pure marketing slang. So instead of counting domains or gigabytes, they count outgoing emails. How is this "radically different"?

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by yabatopia »

aswerty wrote: post #6

I understand why you put in the drawbacks section, I know that kind of anti-marketing can work. But it's a little too honest - nobody wants to read that their emails might end up as junk mail. Maybe be a bit more vague. Or if you're not significantly worse than your competitors on that front it's a bit misleading if you're disclaiming it as a drawback. Also, when you open up a link in the menu as a new tab (via middl…

I find the drawbacks section very refreshing and really appreciate their honesty. No obvious marketing fluff, you know exactly what you will get and can figure out for yourself if the service fits your needs without signing up for a money-back trial first. On the other hand, I do realize that the no marketing fluff is a clever form of marketing in itself.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by skartik »

awill wrote: post #152
skartik wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SPF

I got it working with Cloudflare add a TXT record under name, enter (without quotes) '@' under key, enter (without quotes) 'v=spf1 a mx include:spf.migadu.com ~all' You must delete all other SPF TXT entries (so if you were previously on google hosted, delete the Google SPF record.

Thanks. The support also helped me out, now it is working.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by sriku »

dejan wrote: post #41
aswerty wrote: post #6

I understand why you put in the drawbacks section, I know that kind of anti-marketing can work. But it's a little too honest - nobody wants to read that their emails might end up as junk mail. Maybe be a bit more vague. Or if you're not significantly worse than your competitors on that front it's a bit misleading if you're disclaiming it as a drawback. Also, when you open up a link in the menu as a new tab (via middl…

Thank you for the input! I see your point and thank you for it! Honestly, we're not trying to play any marketing tricks, but rather give all help possible in order to decide whether it works for the interesting parties. Surely, we've got to trim down and brush off a lot of things. The mail going to junk is an unfortunate reality, there are never any guarantees with any mail service, and especially with new services.…

+1 for the honesty again. In fact I think there is going to be less tolerance for marketing "spiel" going forward.
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