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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by garblegarble »

treelover wrote: post #8

Interesting choice to use native Apple Containers over Docker. I assume this is to keep the footprint minimal on a Mac Mini without the overhead of the Docker VM, but does this limit the agent's ability to run standard Linux tooling? Or are you relying on the AI to just figure out the BSD/macOS equivalents of standard commands?

>does this limit the agent's ability to run standard Linux tooling? Or are you relying on the AI to just figure out the BSD/macOS equivalents of standard commands?

Slightly counterintuitively, Apple Containers spawns linux VMs.

There doesn't appear to be any way to spawn a native macOS container... which is a pity, it'd be nice to have ultra-low-overhead containers on macOS (but I suspect all the interesting macOS stuff relies on a bunch of services/gui access that'd make it not-lightweight anyway)

FYI: it's easy enough to install GNU tools with homebrew; technically there's a risk of problems if applications spawn commandline tools and expect the BSD args/output but I've not run into any issues in the several years I've been doing it).

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by jstanley »

swyx wrote: post #121
redfloatplane wrote: post #13

I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…

orrrr you could go the other way and read explicitly ai-generated docs that use the code as source of truth https://deepwiki.com/gavrielc/nanoclaw

Cool idea but I just tried it out on one of my own repos and I couldn't get past the reCAPTCHA, maybe remove that.

(I'm a human btw)

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by swordsith »

esskay wrote: post #132

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me: - Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned) - Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by ha…

> and again proceeded to get itself banned by hammering the crap out of the docs api

> Used approx $2k worth of Kimi tokens

Holy shit dude you really should rethink your life decisions this is NUTS

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by thepasch »

nialse wrote: post #89
jimminyx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

“Human artisan era of code” is hilarious if you’ve worked in any corporate codebase whatsoever. I’m still not entirely sure what some of the snippets I’ve seen actually are, but I can say with determination and certainty that none of it was art.

The truth about vibe coding is that, fundamentally, it’s not much more than a fast-forward button: ff you were going to write good code by hand, you know how to guide an LLM to write good code for you. If, given infinite time, you would never have been able to achieve what you’re trying to get the LLM to do anyway, then the result is going to be a complete dumpster load.

It’s still garbage in, garbage out, as it’s always been; there’s just a lot more of it now.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by djeastm »

anavat wrote: post #87
redfloatplane wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, you do you, I’m glad you appreciate my perspective. I wasn’t trying to catch you out but I see how it came across that way - I apologise for my edit, I had hoped the ;) would show that I meant it in jest rather than in meanness but I shouldn’t have added it in the first place. As I said in my comment, no shade for writing the code with Claude. I do it too, every day. I wasn’t “irked” by the readme, and I did rea…

There needs to be a word for the feeling of sudden realization that you're reading an AI-generated text (or watching an AI-generated video) where you expected it to be human-authored.

Does "disappointed" cover it? That's how I feel, anyway.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by djeastm »

jofzar wrote: post #65
redfloatplane wrote: post #13

I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…

I 100% agree, reading very obviously ai written blogs and "product pages"/readme's has turned into a real ick for me. Just something that screams "I don't care about my product/readme page, why should you". To be clear, no issue with using AI to write the actual program/whatever it is. It's just the readme/product page which super turns me off even trying/looking into it.

I get where you're coming from. It's like a person signing a love letter with a stamped signature or something.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by djeastm »

roysting wrote: post #138
raahelb wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will definitely like Josh Mock's recent post: https://joshmock.com/post/2026-agents-md-as-a-dark-signal/

I am confused by “senior-learning engineer”; so he’s learning as a senior, learning at a “senior” level in a “continuous learning”, “life long learning” kind of way? What is senior-learning? Searching for it only comes up with learning for seniors programs.

I'm looking at it now and it says "senior-leaning" not "senior-learning"

Might've been a typo they've since fixed.

>I am, as many senior-leaning engineers are, ambivalent about whether AI is making us more productive coders

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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Post by vidarh »

wernsey wrote: post #123
charcircuit wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think people do not care about something if they AI generated it? I care about many things I've generated.

It's the perception. "I couldn't be bothered to write a proper README, so I had the AI do it"

Most manually written README's I come across are in a far worse state than an AI generated one. To the point that I will often ask an AI to summarise third-party projects for me because the README's are so abysmal.
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