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Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

yadavrh wrote: post #98
BozeWolf wrote: post #92

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I was about to ask the same thing. I saw mentioning of gdpr, feels like at least some europeans are involved. However: I don’t want to have my data in the US for at least 3 years. For businesses outside the US: they simply cannot have their data in US anymore. Build european/non-us would be a great argument to use this product.

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I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it

Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month for unlimited egress. They provide 1-24 TB per month free unlimited but after that its capped at 100mbps for unlimited amount of time and I don't think that it could be an issue in this case? And you can always get more 3.50 euros servers to get more 100mbps unlimited so the possibilities are endless

OVH provides unlimited egress as well and OVH is another good bet. I love both for unlimited egress if what you are doing is very bandwidth intensive in the first place

Both are European. I have heard good things about scaleway too

Also searched bunny and looks like it provides some storage service too and unlimited egress to bunny cdn from that https://bunny.net/pricing/storage/

Looks neat.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ljm wrote: post #132

Honest feedback: seeing the promise of 'free, forever' as a selling point on some early-adopter SaaS actually puts me off. It's a promise that is always broken. I don't buy it. I also think that the marketing is pitched too heavily towards what Slack is, and what this product isn't . It's target towards someone who hates Slack rather than someone who wants the product for what it is, but most people who hate Slack ar…

One of the ideas I have if I ever build a Saas or any tech related service is sustainability. I have written extensively about it but I am gonna be transparent about how much would be our costs, what tech stack we are using and literally everything and projections about it and how much we reasonably profit from our work on a project.

I don't want to screw over someone but I want my project to be sustainable and that too preferably without requiring VC funding ever.

Heck, I might even raise a kickstarter with all the info before I would require VC funding.

But also, I do feel like that there are services which can really reduce the cost of servers and I love cost optimizing servers (Read my other comment where I recommend some european services to them which might even be cheaper than their current stack but I do think that cf workers are very heavily subsidized by their CDN/security feature selling to entreprises where I have seen their contract sizes even go into 200_000$ or sorts)

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

pedalpete wrote: post #5

I'm with you on the frustration with Slack and every month when I see our bill I consider forcing the company to change. My co-founder and I tried moving to Google Chat. We already pay for workspace so why not. What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. Google chat doesn't allow you to add external members unless they were added at the creation of the…

I am not going to lie but I joined Zulip for some project and I really enjoyed it.

Stoat (formerly Revolt) is great for single server (ie. no federation between multiple servers) and matrix/xmpp are good if you want the latter (ie federation)

Good to see some more options though but all the services I shared are open source. Not sure if this is open source.

I don't like to use closed source services (usually) because then I am still trusting trust but I am gonna be honest that Closed source services make more money at times so there is a trade-off for some businesses.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

troupo wrote: post #107
yadavrh wrote: post #8

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Please ask ChatGPT that you're clearly using to write these responses to reapond in proper human speech, and format for Hacker News.

Offtopic (I don't know if they are LLM Or not , I don't want to respond to it because many people will already do it) but someone should study the significance of em-dashes because to me (and maybe you or others) its one of the most significant indicators (sometimes false) as well.

If someone ever used em-dashes before , what are you using now? (I don't use em-dashes but I am curious!) and did you guys ever change to purposeful linguistic errors to not look AI

I am thinking of going back to a , comma like this with spaces in both side intentionally because I used to make this mistake in the start and I had people genuinely fume over this grammar nitpick more times than I can count. But after I stopped it and got better at writing, I got called AI too (mfw when I am a human helloooo)

Just writing what's on my mind recently; I find it funny to change back to grammar mistakes because of AI .

(I made the errors in this post as well! I try to ship ideas fast lol & brain.exe not working after being tired right now :] )

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by BozeWolf »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #141
yadavrh wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month…

If Dock runs on AWS or Cloudflare infra it is, by definition, a no go for me and many others here. Would like to get an answer on that.

FWIW: I use scaleway far a medium sized project and find it a good experience. Of course there are bugs and some things could be better. But support is good and the responses to bugs in their terraform provider are quick.

Also using bunny.net, happy so far.

Only thing I am missing is to create mailboxes (not transactional mail) on those two providers. I needed a third one for that.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by troupo »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #144
troupo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please ask ChatGPT that you're clearly using to write these responses to reapond in proper human speech, and format for Hacker News.

Offtopic (I don't know if they are LLM Or not , I don't want to respond to it because many people will already do it) but someone should study the significance of em-dashes because to me (and maybe you or others) its one of the most significant indicators (sometimes false) as well. If someone ever used em-dashes before , what are you using now? (I don't use em-dashes but I am curious!) and did you guys ever change to…

> If someone ever used em-dashes before , what are you using now? (I don't use em-dashes but I am curious!) and did you guys ever change to purposeful linguistic errors to not look AI

I keep using them because I've been using them on Mac keyboards since forever (and on iOS keyboards). I don't use them while on Linux because I couldn't be bothered to learn how to type them yet :)

I will not give up my ways just because AI is taking over

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

BozeWolf wrote: post #145
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month…

If Dock runs on AWS or Cloudflare infra it is, by definition, a no go for me and many others here. Would like to get an answer on that. FWIW: I use scaleway far a medium sized project and find it a good experience. Of course there are bugs and some things could be better. But support is good and the responses to bugs in their terraform provider are quick. Also using bunny.net, happy so far. Only thing I am missing is…

Scaleway doesn't provide unlimited egress the last time I provided beyond 75 gigs if I remember correctly and scaleway feels great in some situations but I wouldn't try to force it in here if the project is bandwidth intensive.

I don't know but Upcloud gained my loyalty when I created my account and I don't have credit card but I could still use their service and go talk to their customer service for the 7 days my trial account is active and their support was so phenomenal and nice and just, man, They aren't kidding when they say that their support can have 1 minute times in things)

I do feel like Scaleway and Upcloud too might charge more than OVH and hetzner but they both have better support and long term its really worth it.

For what its worth, I really like scaleway's stardust servers as I had analyzed some servers in Lowendtalk and other websites etc. which had benchmarks and Scaleway's stardust development servers are one of the cheapest in the market for the development boxes but they are limited to 1/2 per account but I feel like scaleway does this to get people try scaleway in the first place and I do find this really fascinating idea and not many other do it.

EU cloud is definitely under-rated especially for egress related stuff (like this) because AWS,gcloud,Azure from what I hear costs like a bank of money for egress.

I do think that more people should evaluate the right option of cloud for their job using the right "tool" for the right job.

Glad that you liked scaleway tho. I haven't had experience with scaleway tho but I have heard that they have a good slack (ironic isn't it?) server where their devs are active.

Perhaps they will go to dock which might get one day hosted on scaleway, could be really cool :)

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by 3rodents »

ljm wrote: post #132

Honest feedback: seeing the promise of 'free, forever' as a selling point on some early-adopter SaaS actually puts me off. It's a promise that is always broken. I don't buy it. I also think that the marketing is pitched too heavily towards what Slack is, and what this product isn't . It's target towards someone who hates Slack rather than someone who wants the product for what it is, but most people who hate Slack ar…

> most people who hate Slack are probably using it because their org says so, and their org doesn't think it sucks

I agree in part but you are underestimating the power of inertia. A lot of organizations use Slack because they use Slack. Moving from Slack to something else is a headache. The OP could build an objectively better product than Slack by every single measure as accepted by every single stakeholder in a business, and still not take business away from Slack.

The current positioning is probably the best for right now. The people launching new startups who don’t love Slack might come across Dock and the pitch may resonate. As a mature product with thousands of paying customers, positioning as “Slack that doesn’t suck” won’t work to steal away Slack’s customers and Dock will need to mature their positioning, but that’s a future challenge for a different stage in growth.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

beAbU wrote: post #139
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #133

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Sure, in some cases. I have seen slacks for "former employees of $Company" where the house rules are that what is said should be taken as seriously and recorded as much as any remark said in a bar meetup. (i.e. not that seriously, not recorded). For these, not keeping old messages is a feature.

I try to treat slack/teams/irc like the office water cooler. Sure, we can discuss work, make decisions or come up with solutions to problems, but it has to be recorded elsewhere, in an email or internal documentation or whatever for it to matter and for it to be official. Nothing sucks as much as trawling through old chats to find some decision that was made ages ago.

Yes, while a "work slack" or "company teams installation" is more formal than the ones that I mentioned above - it is for doing your job, while on the job - it's really not a good store for decisions and other facts.

To be clear, the slacks for "former employees of $Company" were not set up by the company, but by those people in order to keep in touch with each other. The chat had no official relationship to the company. This is why these slacks were regarded as the online equivalent of the pubmeet.

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