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Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by j1elo »

broken-kebab wrote: post #130
j1elo wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking in English, not in Go. The meaning doesn't change that much because of using uppercase initials. What you're referring to has already been consolidated as "source available".

I'm not a native speaker, but to me "open" sounds like it fits to the case when I can see the code. Am I speaking in Go?

I'm sorry for the snark in my comment, it intended to just be a funny joke due to the capitalization thing (in Go that's what separates public from private fields, which is a weirdness of the language that surprises people the first time they get to learn it)

As others said, while "open" does indeed mean "reachable" or "available" in this context of source code, it happens that "open source" is a well defined thing to allow not only access, but also modification, reuse, and distribution without limitations. So the "open" in "open source" has its meaning brought to the highest level of openness.

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by jjtheblunt »

croes wrote: post #133
subpixel wrote: post #124

Trello pricing just got a lot more reasonable, but there is one feature that might get me thinking of moving: conditional logic in automations. Be advised that Trello is now $5/mo. It's gonna be hard to compete here.

You can’t trust US companies anymore, they easily can become a weapon in a trade war.

What's an example of a US company being weaponized in a trade war?

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by kstrauser »

bmacho wrote: post #134
Izkata wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is open source (the code is right there), but it's not Open Source due to what GP references. There is a distinction.

OFF: Can we do something about this "open source" = "Open Source" usage? I want the opposite, "open source" = "source available" usage, because - that's what the words mean. - the concept of Open Source is better denoted by a Proper Noun anyway I think the "open source" = "Open Source" usage will be a friction point forever if it stays. Can we .. - revert the usage to "open source" = "source available", or - decide t…

It's unnecessarily complicating things to require case sensitivity here. Words don't typically completely change their meaning just because of capitalization. And suppose I write that in a Slack channel where no one uses caps at all? Do I have to use caps anyone to make sure I'm not confusing everyone? How do I pronounce it correctly if I'm giving a speech such that listeners know which one I mean? What if the closed captioner writes the case wrong?

Nah. "Open Source" = "open source", because any other interpretation goes against the norms of written and spoken English, and because it'd be an absolute freaking pain in the neck to create that brand new distinction that's not an issue today.

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by huhtenberg »

bmacho wrote: post #134
Izkata wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is open source (the code is right there), but it's not Open Source due to what GP references. There is a distinction.

OFF: Can we do something about this "open source" = "Open Source" usage? I want the opposite, "open source" = "source available" usage, because - that's what the words mean. - the concept of Open Source is better denoted by a Proper Noun anyway I think the "open source" = "Open Source" usage will be a friction point forever if it stays. Can we .. - revert the usage to "open source" = "source available", or - decide t…

The term should've really been "Libre source" and that would've been very much in line with the idea behind it. Alas, that boat has sailed.

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by robinhood »

croes wrote: post #133
subpixel wrote: post #124

Trello pricing just got a lot more reasonable, but there is one feature that might get me thinking of moving: conditional logic in automations. Be advised that Trello is now $5/mo. It's gonna be hard to compete here.

You can’t trust US companies anymore, they easily can become a weapon in a trade war.

Beware of European companies too if there is a WWIII. Beware of Asian companies because China is not far away.

What a weird comment.

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by kashnote »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #10

Im curious about the choice of Next.js for an open source project as Next.js is notoriously painful to deploy to anything other than Vercel.

It’s as easy as deploying any other app that can be Dockerized. Deploying to something like Fargate isn’t _super_ trivial but can be done in <2 hours

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by kjs3 »

croes wrote: post #133
subpixel wrote: post #124

Trello pricing just got a lot more reasonable, but there is one feature that might get me thinking of moving: conditional logic in automations. Be advised that Trello is now $5/mo. It's gonna be hard to compete here.

You can’t trust US companies anymore, they easily can become a weapon in a trade war.

Indeed...we are the only country that uses trade to influence others. You got us.

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by GlacierFox »

loumf wrote: post #132
GlacierFox wrote: post #101

Random curious question. I was pondering the kanban backend. How do you store the order of the kanban cards in your database and keep that in sync with what's in the UI?

Here is the answer for Trello: each card and list has a field called “pos” which is a number. The initial values are spread out (e.g. 1000, 2000, 3000) and then when you move a card, it takes on the average of the two adjacent cards. So, if I move the 3rd card to the 2nd position, its “pos” becomes 1500. This means it doesn’t have to constantly renumber the cards -- but, every once and a while, the server does reorde…

Thank you for this, that's so simple and I'd never stumble on that solution which is embarrassing haha. How do you know the Trello internals by the way? You work there?

Re: Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

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Post by bityard »

bmacho wrote: post #134
Izkata wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is open source (the code is right there), but it's not Open Source due to what GP references. There is a distinction.

OFF: Can we do something about this "open source" = "Open Source" usage? I want the opposite, "open source" = "source available" usage, because - that's what the words mean. - the concept of Open Source is better denoted by a Proper Noun anyway I think the "open source" = "Open Source" usage will be a friction point forever if it stays. Can we .. - revert the usage to "open source" = "source available", or - decide t…

Sure, if you invent a time machine and rewrite how things actually evolved.

Early on, you mostly had only two kinds of code: Proprietary software whose source code is closely guarded as a trade secret, contrasted with open software where the source code is quite deliberately shared with the world as widely as possible. The former was code owned by companies, the latter was generally academics and hobbyists.

It's only somewhat recently that there has been a fairly large gray area between those two, mostly from companies who want to capitalize on the warm fuzzy feels of Open Source in their marketing material while building a moat that doesn't allow others to do much without the missing proprietary bit, or because the license doesn't allow redistribution, to pick to random examples.

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