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vintagedave wrote: post #140

diimdeep wrote: post #132

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It's funny how our expectations have changed. I am keen to like this app simply because of who it's from, Hog Bay, who made one of the first Mac apps that really inspired me to how different Mac software could be back in the 2005-ish era. That was WriteRoom, and I used it on my second-gen Intel running Tiger and Snow Leopard. In 2007 it was $25: https://web.archive.org/web/20070202002238/https://www.hogba... (and cri…

Thanks for history link, just spent 15 minutes looking through my own website :)

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Post by jessegrosjean » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

darren wrote: post #133

Nice! Do you have any plans on adding a "library" sidebar (like IA Writer) to allow quick jumping between multiple files?

I think yes, but no plans are really set in stone at this point. I agree a navigation bar would help navigation in big outlines.

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Post by klohto » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

FYI, I submitted PR to add Bike into Brew casks - https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/pull/123908

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Post by skrtskrt » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

Just when I have mostly moved on to Linux - it looks incredible and I wish the project luck, I would love to use this on Linux one day

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Post by xattt » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

armadsen wrote: post #139

stevenbedrick wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably very little if it is built on top of CoreAnimation, since that set of OS APIs is extremely heavily optimized specifically to enable animation-rich UIs that are light in terms of CPU and battery use.

Indeed. As far as I know, Core Animation was originally created as part of work on the first version of iOS (née iPhoneOS), where the target device, the original iPhone, was pretty severely memory and CPU constrained.

Here’s part of the ArsTechnica article on Leopard that discussed CoreAnimation:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5/8/

Of note:

> [The] advent of Core Animation probably means that we'll have to endure some amount of gratuitously animated software created by "overly enthusiastic" developers. But the same was true during the introduction of styled text and color graphics. Mac developers learn quickly, and Mac users are good at rewarding restraint and punishing excess.

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Post by OJFord » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

> An outliner (or outline processor) is a specialized type of text editor (word processor) used to create and edit outlines, which are text files which have a tree structure, for organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner

I'm not criticising use of the term, it seems familiar to (also used by) several commenters here, I just hadn't come across it. Guessed 'bulleted notes app' from the submission, which is close enough I suppose.

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Post by johnknowles » Tue, May 17, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

jb1991 wrote: post #84

Regarding the website: having a video embedded with zero control to mute or change it's audio volume is really insensitive UX. The annoying background music is not even necessary to actually get meaning from the video.

Strong disagree to both of these points. Nothing "insensitive", save your comment. Devices have audio controls, no need to repeat them in a video player-especially not one on a landing page for a product. Background music for promotional material is standard, and all too necessary.