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Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model is only generating tokens without touching the network at all, right? How would it send data away?

Theoretically, by taking the opportunity to inject an exfiltration mechanism if you ask it to write code for you

Lots of people I know run models in "yolo" mode or the equivalent as well, which means it could just invoke curl or telnet to exfiltrate data.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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Looks like a nice wrapper around the APIs. Extremely oversold landing page, very marketing heavy for what it is. You can actually make nice looking landing pages that are about 10% the size of this and more straightforward, rather than some mimicry of a SaaS that's trying desperately to sell you something. Makes it easier for you to review the content for factuality too, and heck you couldn't even take ownership of s…

If you dislike the slop on the website so much you might also not like GitHub that much. It shows this software has been heavily co-written by Claude code

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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post #127
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently the Overcast guy build a beowulf cluster of Mac minis to use the Apple transcription service. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nathangathright_marco-arment-...

The ATP episode where he talked about this was incredibly fascinating. Marco is such a role model to me - he has a complete immunity to fads and trends, and just does things the way he wants to. He adopts the 'new and cool' things only when they have a real benefit.

I largely subscribe to the use boring tech ethos ... but php? come on man.

and yet... successful people have used it to build really successful things: Facebook, Tumblr (I think), the things Marco's been involved with.

I just dunno outside of meta should we really be pushing php with all its flaws? or is it still flawed and I need to update my priors?

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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post #132

Looks like a nice wrapper around the APIs. Extremely oversold landing page, very marketing heavy for what it is. You can actually make nice looking landing pages that are about 10% the size of this and more straightforward, rather than some mimicry of a SaaS that's trying desperately to sell you something. Makes it easier for you to review the content for factuality too, and heck you couldn't even take ownership of s…

If you dislike the slop on the website so much you might also not like GitHub that much. It shows this software has been heavily co-written by Claude code

I'm aware of that! That's fine with me.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#135

Looks like a nice wrapper around the APIs. Extremely oversold landing page, very marketing heavy for what it is. You can actually make nice looking landing pages that are about 10% the size of this and more straightforward, rather than some mimicry of a SaaS that's trying desperately to sell you something. Makes it easier for you to review the content for factuality too, and heck you couldn't even take ownership of s…

It's absolutely free and open source, no need to bash it like this.

I certainly don't feel entitled to anybody's effort, and I appreciate the project itself!

It's just these flashy LLM-generated webpages are really misleading.

It's filled with attention-grabbing LLM-filler. It presents itself as high-effort content, but in reality is unclear if it's accurate, unclear how much the author even put into READING the content they're asking me to read, and overall just really unclear what parts of the page are important to the author and what are just stuff the LLM inserted into a marketing card to make it look like a SaaS sales pitch.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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It’s a very small model but I’ve been playing with it for some time now I’m impressed. Have we been sleeping on Apple’s models? Imagine they baked Qwen 3.5 level stuff into the OS. Wow that’d be cool.

For small tasks this seems perfect. However it being limited to English from what I can tell is quite a downsite for me.

It can work in other languages?

  % apfel --model-info
  apfel v0.6.25 — model info
  ├ model:      apple-foundationmodel
  ├ on-device:  true (always)
  ├ available:  yes
  ├ context:    4096 tokens
  ├ languages:  zh, en, nl, zh, es, es, ja, en, pt, da, fr, it, nb, vi, tr, en, de, fr, es, pt, ko, sv, zh
  └ framework:  FoundationModels (macOS 26+)
Just use the language you want when prompting it, like other LLMs?

   % apfel "Gib mir ein Rezept für Currywurst."
  Natürlich! Hier ist ein einfaches Rezept für Currywurst:
  
  ### Zutaten:
  - **Für die Würste:**
    - 500 g Bratwürste (z. B. Frankfurter Würste)
(note: clipped most of the reply, since I assume most of us here don't actually need an LLM-generated recipe)

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#137

I like the approach of running everything locally. I'm strongly of the opinion that the privacy angle for local models is going to keep getting stronger and more relevant. The amount of articles that come out about accidents happening because of people handing too much context to cloud models the more self reinforcing this will become.

> I like the approach of running everything locally. I'm strongly of the opinion that the privacy angle for local models is going to keep getting stronger and more relevant.

In HN circles perhaps. Average Joes don’t care.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#139

apfel "How many shopping days until Christmas?" To determine how many shopping days until Christmas, you'll need to know the current date and the date of Christmas. Christmas is on December 25th, so you can subtract the current date from this date to find the number of shopping days. If you provide the current date, I can help you calculate that. apfel "How many shopping days until Christmas? Today is April 3rd." To…

Almost about to try it until I saw this. If it's Siri the Silly don't even make up for the opportunity cost.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

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post #122

The big question is whether Apple can keep shipping new models constantly. AFAIK the current model is on par with with Qwen-3-4B, which is from a year ago [0]. There's a big leap going from last year Qwen-3-4B to Qwen-3.5-4B or to Gemma 4. Apple model is nice since you don't need to download anything else, but I'd rather use the latest model than to use a model from a year ago. https://machinelearning.apple.com/resea…

I’m not sure why that’s a question, it’s just a downloaded file. You can even watch it download separately when you enable Apple Intelligence (it’s not tied to OS updates from what I can tell).

Of course I imagine Apple is not going to be the fastest mover in this regard. I’m not even sure they believe the product will be widely impactful anymore and may keep it relegated to a small list of popular use cases like photo touch ups and quick questions to Siri. For me the most useful parts of Apple’s AI don’t even require me to enable Apple Intelligence.

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