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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by Lucasoato »

paul7986 wrote: post #127
skripp wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”I would feel pretty silly if my solution uses its own camera. So I'll be avoiding that.” From the GitHub link.

The solution to this (smart glass privacy debate) is Apple releasing smart glasses that automatically anonymize anyone in your photos/videos who isn’t a friend or family member with you at the time (it could be done automatically as Apple knows your friends/family members' faces already). All else appear as random faces, completely removed, a blurred out crowd to whatever privacy config options they offer and you cho…

This isn't a solution, they would still have the data. Companies can't be trusted, they'll do what is more convenient for them, we need to remove the problem at the root by not allowing people to take pictures/videos if not permitted.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by crazygringo »

skripp wrote: post #118
shmel wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... by using your own glasses with a hidden camera? Sounds like a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

”I would feel pretty silly if my solution uses its own camera. So I'll be avoiding that.” From the GitHub link.

Yeah but that approach using "sweeps" doesn't seem to be working. It's possible it actually requires a camera to do it reliably well.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by [deleted] »

keepamovin wrote: post #74

I look forward to the social media rage meltdown shorts that widespread adoption of this tech will precipitate. I think I'm kidding. I should be kidding. But I am curious... Question for people who resonate with this: whenever someone is holding their cellphone at an angle that "could be inferred" to be imaging you, how do you feel and think? I grew up on Earth before the cellpocalypse (phone zombies, etc), and went…

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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by paul7986 »

Lucasoato wrote: post #131
paul7986 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to this (smart glass privacy debate) is Apple releasing smart glasses that automatically anonymize anyone in your photos/videos who isn’t a friend or family member with you at the time (it could be done automatically as Apple knows your friends/family members' faces already). All else appear as random faces, completely removed, a blurred out crowd to whatever privacy config options they offer and you cho…

This isn't a solution, they would still have the data. Companies can't be trusted, they'll do what is more convenient for them, we need to remove the problem at the root by not allowing people to take pictures/videos if not permitted.

As noted Apple already knows your friends' and familys' faces... why are people not up in arms about this fact already? It's been close to a decade or more they have done this.

Also the debate is around a lot of people not wanting to be recorded without permission in public via glasses (yet they are complacent about all the video cameras recording us now.. i dont get it) so with Apple marketing smart glasses with a solution to this debate and millions buying their smart privacy glasses the market forces all others to follow suit (offer smart privacy glass features too).

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by delichon »

littlestymaar wrote: post #100
hackingonempty wrote: post #61

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In the USA, at least, the right to record in public is protected by the First Amendment.

Some right to record in public may be protected by the current jurisprudence invoking the first amendment, but the first amendment itself obviously doesn't say anything about the right to record in public: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,…

It's a bank shot. SCOTUS has recognized that newsgathering gets some first amendment protection because "without some protection for seeking out the news, freedom of the press could be eviscerated" (Branzburg v Hayes).

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by rakamotog »

shmel wrote: post #115
october8140 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

... by using your own glasses with a hidden camera? Sounds like a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

Going by data, most likely a path with prior success.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by merely-unlikely »

littlestymaar wrote: post #27
arionmiles wrote: post #19

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Isn't the biggest mobile use case where you don't want to be secretly recorded in public? This was a big concern with the original Google Glass.

The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

Corporations don't need cameras to track people, they have had the ability to track bluetooth emissions for well over a decade. Unless you turn off a lot of connectivity settings, smartphones are pretty much open tracking devices.

[1]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluet...

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by fortran77 »

When I worked for a big Hollywood media conglomerate, there was a project to detect cameras in theaters. (There was a piracy problem where people would record the movie on a camcorder). It worked by detecting the IR filter that’s in front of the CMOS detector in almost all cameras. It’s a retroreflector for UV range. Shine a UV light to the audience and look for spots of light. I’d imagine this would work for cameras in any darkened environment even today.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by fortran77 »

I have a pen camera and a key fob camera. These are widely available. Obviously they won’t give you real time intel on what you’re looking at, but if you’re worried about being surreptitiously recorded, smart glasses are just a small part of the problem.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by berkes »

Lucasoato wrote: post #131
paul7986 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to this (smart glass privacy debate) is Apple releasing smart glasses that automatically anonymize anyone in your photos/videos who isn’t a friend or family member with you at the time (it could be done automatically as Apple knows your friends/family members' faces already). All else appear as random faces, completely removed, a blurred out crowd to whatever privacy config options they offer and you cho…

This isn't a solution, they would still have the data. Companies can't be trusted, they'll do what is more convenient for them, we need to remove the problem at the root by not allowing people to take pictures/videos if not permitted.

Indeed, this solution is in some way even worse.

It teaches people to trust "Currently NonEvil Company™" to do the good thing.

First, and obvious problem is that this "trains" us to rely on brands to protect us. And to keep doing this. Companies may have different interests than their consumers. Ideally and sometimes these interests are aligned. But nothing guarantees this remains so. Companies will "Become evil", if only because they are sometimes legally forced to by governments or shareholders.

Second, is that this teaches people not to be responsible but to leave that to companies or technology. Which works if e.g. Apple and Meta are the only providers. But falls apart the moment Focebook glasses, Apelle Gear or Rang Doorbell is available on temu. And becomes worse when HP, Dell, Samsung, IBM and other legitimate producers start competing in the space. We've now been trained that what the first companies did was "The Good Thing", but lack the social structure, laws, or even common sense to manage a world in which this self-constraint of the companies no longer applies.

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