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Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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The art of war by Sun Tzu is pretty timeless tho

Right, because it's not a war plan. A war plan is about when, where, how, who, etc, for specific attack(s).

yes indeed, more like a war blueprint? like in general strategies applicable to many battles (so you can infer plans for any n wars of the future)

idk

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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I see that you're looking for clusters within PCA projections -- You should look for deeper structure with hot new dimensional reduction algorithms, like PaCMAP or LocalMAP! I've been working on a project related to a sensemaking tool called Pol.is [1], but reprojecting its wiki survey data with these new algorithms instead of PCA, and it's amazing what new insight it uncovers with these new algorithms! https://patco…

Try TDA ("mapper", or really, anything based on kernel density computed connectivity), it's a whole new world. This ain't your parents' "factor analysis".

Ooooo I will definitely check it out! It's strangely hard to find any comparisons in youtube videos -- it seems TDA isn't actually a dimensional reduction algorithm, but something closely relayed, maybe?

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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Right, because it's not a war plan. A war plan is about when, where, how, who, etc, for specific attack(s).

yes indeed, more like a war blueprint? like in general strategies applicable to many battles (so you can infer plans for any n wars of the future) idk

I mean it's theoretically possible a 1500s King might have made that book illegal, because of it's general knowledge. That's a legit point.

Sadly the radio carbon dating disproved two of my far out theories, which was, 1) The book survived from some earlier 'iteration' of life on the planet, where all plants were simply different. or 2) All planets form the same 'kind' of carbon-based life, and this book was sent/delivered to us by another planet.

Sadly, it's probably just someone's form of "art", and not even "real".

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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There's been a large amount of claims of decipherment, but so far none of them have stood up to scrutiny. So, sorry but you are not busting any bubbles today.

Please link evidence to said scrutiny then?

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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I had a look at the manuscript for a while and found it suspicious how tightly packed the writing was against the illustrations on some pages. In common language words and letters vary in width, so when you approach the end of the line when writing, you naturally insert a break to begin a new word and avoid overrun. The manuscript is missing these kinds of breaks - I saw many places where it looked like whatever lett…

Some languages do this by split-

ting words at the end of lines.

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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Really cool work here. Have you considered applying these same techniques to the Rohonc Codex? As far as I know, the only other book similar to the Voynich Manuscript.

Honestly I've never heard of Rohonc Codex. I'll have to check it out! Thanks!

Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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I had a look at the manuscript for a while and found it suspicious how tightly packed the writing was against the illustrations on some pages. In common language words and letters vary in width, so when you approach the end of the line when writing, you naturally insert a break to begin a new word and avoid overrun. The manuscript is missing these kinds of breaks - I saw many places where it looked like whatever lett…

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Re: Show HN: I modeled the Voynich Manuscript with SBERT to test for structure

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You're not alone. Many have hypothesized this is just made up gibberish given the unusual distribution of glyphs. Not a recent hoax/scam, but an ancient one. It's not like there weren't a ton of fake documents in the middle age and renaissance, from the donation of Constantine to Preserve John's letter.

The way you describe it is why it’s not readily accepted. It’s misunderstood. You called it a hoax/scam and a fake. It’s not! Whoever made the document was sincere in making up something that doesn’t exist. They had no intention to mislead. You wouldn’t call a D&D campaign a hoax because it features nonexistent things?

So you're saying it's a prop or a rulebook? (an old xkcd comic mentioned this).

I doubt it's a rulebook cause it's not a real language.

If it's a prop, it would be extremely expensive.

Just to get the parchment you'd have to slaughter a herd of ovines, then you'd have to process it, then you'd have to pay a skilled professional or more for months of work to draw and write.

So I think the profit motive is more likely, and given we know of a ton of scams like this from this period, it seems the most plausible.

But I'll be happy to be proven wrong if someone finds more info in the future.

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