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Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by j-a-a-p »

2cpu1container wrote: post #96
j-a-a-p wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me this is grotesque. Democracy is in dispair so is journalism. What exactly is this software doing to support journalism or democracy?

We live in a world, where we have more misinformation and poor journalism every day, and less money in the pockets of the people to afford paying for good journalism. So this might start a more open discussion on how to finance journalism. And while discussions are still going on, people can inform themselves with good journalism, which supports the democracy.

> And while discussions are still going on, people can inform themselves with good journalism, which supports the democracy.

That is a looters mentality, sorry to say that. Paywall jumping software is like robbing a disabled old veteran in public transport. It are the last blows to finish off what was once good journalism.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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serial_dev wrote: post #122

First of all congrats on the project and thank you for open sourcing it. > Freedom of information is an essential pillar of democracy However, this reads like this tool saves democracy by letting you bypass a crappy pay wall on a site you visit once a year, and that whoever wants to get paid for their published content online is an enemy of democracy.

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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karaterobot wrote: post #125

It seemed to me like 12ft.io was useful for a couple of months, but then stopped being useful as they agreed to blacklist more and more URLs. I thought everybody switched to archive.is, which (so far) works 100% of the time, even if it is sometimes a pain in the butt.

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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donohoe wrote: post #71

I use services like this as I often skip news site paywalls because I just can't afford, nor is it practical, to have so many subscriptions. That said, I work in news media (and have been involved in building paywalls at different orgs - NYT and New Yorker). I know how money for these directly support journalism - salaries and the costs with associated with any story. If you are skipping paywalls a lot, I would encou…

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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j-a-a-p wrote: post #86

In the README there is a WHY paragraph: > Freedom of information is an essential pillar of democracy and informed decision-making. While media organizations have legitimate financial interests, it is crucial to strike a balance between profitability and the public's right to access information. The proliferation of paywalls raises concerns about the erosion of this fundamental freedom, and it is imperative for societ…

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by littlestymaar »

paulgb wrote: post #23
some1else wrote: post #10

Relevant: 12ft.io was banned by Vercel, taking down the developer's entire account with multiple other hosted projects & domains: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1718663563353755982 Edit: Access to other projects & domains was apparently restored some time after: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1719480558932148272

Taking down all his projects (not just 12ft) is heavy-handed, but otherwise Guillermo’s response in that thread seems pretty reasonable to me: > Hey Thomas. Your paywall-bypassing site broke our ToS and created hundreds of hours of support time spent on all the outreach from the impacted businesses. > Our support team reached out to you on Oct 14th to let you know this was unsustainable and to try to work with you.

> but otherwise Guillermo’s response in that thread seems pretty reasonable to me

“Other than the completely unreasonable thing, they seemed pretty reasonable”.

I mean he's not being a complete asshole in the discussion here[1], but nuking the entire customer's account for a ToS violation on one specific product still isn't a reasonable move. Yes Google and Amazon do it routinely, but if you're not a trillion dollar monopoly and you care about your business' reputation, you shouldn't behave like those.

[1] CEOs behaving like assholes in Twitter discussions isn't supposed to be the norm.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Post by littlestymaar »

jdminhbg wrote: post #100
flutas wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> gosh I was busy mmkay? Mischaracterization much? He was on Vacation. How many of us read every email for personal projects that comes in when you're half way across the world and supposed to be relaxing.

I might ignore personal project emails while I'm on vacation, but I also won't complain if one of those emails says my billing method is out of date and I come home and it's been turned off.

But if you missed one bill for a service and your account was nuked for all the other products you had paid without issue, you'd be right to get mad, and that's exactly what's happening here:

> I’m sympathetic to vercel here. Honestly very reasonable to take down 12ft with no response in 2 weeks.

> Taking everything else is the weird part.

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