How is this different from docuseal.co?
Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
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#132How is this different from docuseal.co?
It's not – it's just a "competing" product.
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#133How is this different from docuseal.co?
It has "open" in the name! and an ugly UI :)
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
We also generate a completion certificate that has the time & ip addresses of everyone who accessed and modified a doc during the entire signing process, plus we are open source which means more transparent. We plan to publish a lot of content in that space but with limited resources currently we plan to build the product features first. Also, we are soon going to start our fund raise efforts which will ultimately sp…
And soon after suddenly the Pricing page appears, after 3 months of disappointment convenient features turn paying ones. In some more years it is just as expensive as Docusign. Eh sorry, I’m just sad about Rocket Chat.
Ive been using rabbitsign since 2021 to get signatures on legal docs for work.
Covid made this acceptable.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Late to the party here, but I deal in this space all day. You are 100% correct. Disputes over eSignatures come up allllll the time. And if you mention that it was "DocuSigned"... although you have done nothing aside from name-dropping... it will essentially end the dispute. Not saying that it should. Just saying that it does.
Hopefully people will say “OpenSigned” one day and it will have the same impact.
I think that could totally be possible for your hosted offering, but my point is largely that I don’t see how the self-hosted offering could ever get there, unless there was some technical measure that could prevent the operator of the system from tampering with the logs/database/etc
Edited to add: mild disclosure, I’m working on a product that has e-sign as a feature. It’s not really the main thrust of the application, but probably worth mentioning here.
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Nothing in the American legal system is that straightforward and simple, even less so among our Supreme Court. Things got even more confusing now that this year the Supreme Court has set a new precedent that they can now overturn their own rulings from decades earlier. While I think that’s generally true that online signatures are acceptable in most circumstances, I’d be careful to blindly believe it as a blanket sta…
> this year the Supreme Court has set a new precedent that they can now overturn their own rulings from decades earlier What happened this year specifically? Dobbs was in June 2022, but that isn't even close to the first time that the Supreme Court overturned precedent from 50+ years prior -- Brown v Board largely overturned Plessy v Ferguson ("separate but equal") from nearly 60 years prior. And, we've had plenty of…
Eliminating separate but equal was based on the evidence of how that statue was used.
Eliminating abortion protections was based on "we don't think the founders meant that" which is a form of consideration never before used.
This kind of test is effectively in the eye of the beholder. You can say whatever you want and disproving it requires Goldilocks evidence.
You can't talk about the case law the American system was based on even if it was adopted wholesale and unchanged. You can't talk about the intervening decades and how the legal system handled things.
You need to basically quote the founding fathers talking about a specific topic or the Supreme Court can say "no I disagree" and overrule you.
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#137My understanding (possibly incorrect) is that competing with DocuSign is hard because of the need to follow obscure state and National laws (many of which are defined by case law rather than published law) in order for the signatures to be legally binding. Is that the case? And if so, is there evidence OpenSign has done this kind of SME research to make sure the electronic signatures are legally binding, or is this m…
I haven't researched the law here in a while, but my general impression the last time I did was that there isn't much in the way of legal requirements for signing things digitally beyond the federal ESIGN Act, general principles of state contract law, and the smattering of very particular kinds of transactions that require processes like notarization or recording. For everyday deals between the vast majority of peopl…
Remote online notary services (DocuSign is one) has a TON of legal and regulatory requirements, for obvious reasons.
https://www.nationalnotary.org/knowledge-center/remote-onlin...
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this year the Supreme Court has set a new precedent that they can now overturn their own rulings from decades earlier What happened this year specifically? Dobbs was in June 2022, but that isn't even close to the first time that the Supreme Court overturned precedent from 50+ years prior -- Brown v Board largely overturned Plessy v Ferguson ("separate but equal") from nearly 60 years prior. And, we've had plenty of…
Roe v. Wade
I would blame the congress more than the supreme court for Roe being overturned.
The legal precedent was made in the initial supreme court ruling, all someone needed to do in the legislature is codify it into law.
But no, laziness and re-electabilty on both sides, led to the ruling being overturned in the second examination of Roe.
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Lawyer here. Not legal advice. Really not that much by way of law to consider. If everyone agrees that an E-signature is good, then, generally speaking, an e-signature is good. I’d suggest it’s more on the people actually drafting the documents being signed than the software layer facilitating.
Not a lawyer, but I know the position in the UK is pretty simple and much the same. The purpose of someone like Docusign is to provide a trusted third party to provide evidence. For most purposes GPG signed email (or anything else with a similar signature) would work perfectly well provided you could prove who the keys belong to. In fact it would be better than DOcusign who can (from the few documents I have signed)…
Not a lawyer but I do deal with contracts under English law day in day out for my day job.
Docusign always saves the IP addresses and timestamps for any signatures. In addition it can be set up to require 2FA prior to accepting a signature - eg our lawyers will set it up to require an SMS 2FA confirmation and I've heard them say that this is a hard requirement for deeds as opposed to simple contracts (tho whether that's down to law firm policy, Docusign policy or court precedent I don't know).