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Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

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post #92

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Well, I wouldn’t say it was the community speaking. This is what the operators wanted because the old way was not “welcoming” enough and didn’t contribute enough to growth. Hey, it’s a business. I get it.

No, it wasn’t “not ‘welcoming’”, it was just “not welcoming”. Sure it’s the owners who forced this, but it’s not a bad thing to be more welcoming and thinking otherwise because “it’s better” is problematic. You should also blame the owners for not giving a shit about moderation for the low quality of things now, if you want to blame them for the push for being “welcoming”.

You can be welcoming and still enforce guidelines, it's not an either/or situation.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

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"why are you doing this" isn't a " irrelevant stupid comment ". It's because most askers are really asking a XY question. They ask for Y, since that's their immediate problem, but solving X is their real goal. So it's a question meant to make it easier to help, when doing Y seems a bit weird. https://xyproblem.info/ > The people on stack overflow, by and large, are not nice From your long rant, I'm not sure if you're…

Oh, the XY people are the worst on SO. Here's the latest example I've seen: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57121467/import-a-module... Please see the comments under the OP. While the question is technically sound (I've needed this exact thing for a REPL I was writing), the comments are perfectly useless, self-entitled and discouraging drivel. Notable example: > This is an incredibly odd thing to ask (emphasis th…

I don't see the problem there at all.

They ask a question with some weird requirements, people ask why those requirements are in place as it makes it hard to solve, the asker explains why. Everything is good.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#133
post #96

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I don't get this hate-boner HN has for SO. Have you tried being active there? It's super easy to not have your question closed, just do the minimum amount of effort. And if you're active, you'll see the thousands of similar questions arrive every day. If you're active in the review queues, you will see all the spam, broken answers, non-SO fitting questions etc. people churn out. I see people complain about how their…

It very much depends on the tags you use. Swift and iOS is absolutely abysmal and questions will be closed as duplicates of questions that have been irrelevant for years. Go and Haskell are great though.

Android is as bad or worse. I wonder if SO's quality could be improved by a restart -- no closing questions because they're duped of something pre-restart. And FFS mandate that questions and answers include version numbers for all relevant software.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#134
Slight off topic question: this is a browser addon too; does being installed as a browser addon enable any security risks? Do browser addons/extensions get access to all browser traffic?

I see various software as browser addons/extensions... is that a security loophole?

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#135
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it wasn’t “not ‘welcoming’”, it was just “not welcoming”. Sure it’s the owners who forced this, but it’s not a bad thing to be more welcoming and thinking otherwise because “it’s better” is problematic. You should also blame the owners for not giving a shit about moderation for the low quality of things now, if you want to blame them for the push for being “welcoming”.

You can be welcoming and still enforce guidelines, it's not an either/or situation.

Right, I think so too. My point is more that moderation doesn’t imply being unwelcoming, and they are more or less distinct. A great example is HN, it’s a pretty welcoming place with good moderation, albeit at a much smaller size than SO.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

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post #7

Man. What an absolute GENIUS way to get people to not post ChatGPT answers. Just put them there from there from the start. "Burn the boats"

The main point of answering to StackOverflow questions is to earn points, points that you can show on your CV :)

"Top StackOverflow expert on XX", so the incentive is still there.

One solution to spam could be to keep the voting system, but not publicly reward users with points (like on HN).

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#137

Slight off topic question: this is a browser addon too; does being installed as a browser addon enable any security risks? Do browser addons/extensions get access to all browser traffic? I see various software as browser addons/extensions... is that a security loophole?

They can get access to all browser traffic if they're configured to. They can also be configured for activation only on specific sites. It really depends.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#138
post #3

I hope no one actually trusts that for real answers, just based on what we've seen it try to do already.

I hope no one blindly trusts answers from strangers on the internet.

I guess I should not blindly trust this statement.

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#139

It won’t truly match the experience, unless it can inject veiled insults into the answers. /s

I don't get this hate-boner HN has for SO. Have you tried being active there? It's super easy to not have your question closed, just do the minimum amount of effort. And if you're active, you'll see the thousands of similar questions arrive every day. If you're active in the review queues, you will see all the spam, broken answers, non-SO fitting questions etc. people churn out. I see people complain about how their…

> but when prompted no one every actually provides a link to their question.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Here's my SO profile screen[0]. You can tell that it's me, because of my dragon logo, which is actually a refinement of my signature from the days I wanted to be an artist[1]. I actually make an effort to be "non-anonymous," these days. I feel that it helps me to be a better netizen.

The first thing that you may notice about my profile, is that the Answer[2]/Question[3] ratio is about 0.6. That's unusual for many of the more senior members (I've been there for about 15 years. I used to have another account, and nuked it in disgust, many years ago, then decided I was being a big baby, and came crawling back. I've been a member since, but the name was changed, somewhere along the line, as I decided that "non-anonymity" was my lodestar).

That's because I don't go there to answer questions, or prove how smart I am. I go to solve problems, and remove roadblocks, in my day-to-day work.

Here's my latest question[4]. It's a really basic question. One I could have found the answer to, myself, but I would have had to spend a bunch of time in the ugly, chaotic documentation that Apple has for their bundle hashes. Probably would have taken me an hour or so.

I should tell you a bit about myself.

I have been writing software, since my days of 6800 machine code, in 1983. I've been writing Apple software since 1986. I have been shipping software, since 1986/7 (depending on how you define "shipping").

This ain't my first rodeo.

I've also been training and mentoring folks since I was 19. One thing that I learned, very early on, is that the people I'm training, usually (not "sometimes," "usually") have more expertise than I, in matters outside the scope of the class.

I learned to respect my students. I'm not better than they are. I just have a bit of knowledge that can help them, and it's an Honor to be allowed to provide it.

When someone asks me "what I do," I generally respond with "I solve problems."

That's what I do. Every. Single. Day. Every day, I am presented with a "Argh! We're all gonna die!" problem; often multiple times a day[5].

And I solve them. That doesn't make me unique, in the slightest. Lots of people here, can easily say the same, and they probably solve much more difficult issues than I. That's one of the reasons I like coming here. I'm not the smartest person in the room. I have found great comfort in surrounding myself with people that humble me. It can be difficult, at times, but I feel that I need to learn something new, every day, and I don't get that, by staying in my comfort zone.

I also speak Swift without an accent. I've been writing Swift, seven days a week, 52.14 weeks per year, since the day it was announced, in 2014. I've also been shipping apps in Swift, since not too long, afterwards.

Everything I do is geared towards "ship."

That often means that my solutions and workflows are not always optimal, or "academically pure." Duct tape and baling wire. Make it work. I take a great deal of care in the Quality of my work, but it is not always "exemplary." It needs to work, work well, and be maintainable. I also like to get to the point, where I leave it behind, and move on to the next project[6].

SO helps me to quickly find "correct" solutions. I don't like duct tape and baling wire. I'd like to do it right, the first time. That's pretty much exactly the spirit behind my latest question [4].

Note that the question got almost immediate downvotes and close votes. That happened within seconds of it being posted.

But it was answered. It was answered in a rather condescending way, but I got what I needed. I then took that answer, and configured it into something that I could ship[7], and, eventually, into something that I could share[8].

Now, that was a productive interaction for me. It gave me the answer I needed, I was able to greencheck someone for answering it, even if they did so, looking down on me, and I was able to repackage their response into something that can be quite useful, in the future.

When I ask well-researched, well-documented, windy questions, they are usually ignored, like so[9], and I end up answering my own question. Sometimes, these self-answered questions get fairly popular[10], or even unanswered ones[11].

It's fairly plain that the SO folks think of people that ask questions as "supplicants," and to be looked down upon. Look at all the folks with massive scores, and single-digit question counts (the digit is frequently "0").

Here's an exercise: Go to Meta, and suggest that people applying for positions of authority have at least a 10% question-to-answer ratio.

Why would you want a general that doesn't know what it's like to be pinned down in a shellhole?

Enjoy your downvotes and attacks.

Happy now?

[0] https://stackoverflow.com/users/879365/chris-marshall

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34654770

[2] https://stackoverflow.com/users/879365/chris-marshall?tab=an...

[3] https://stackoverflow.com/users/879365/chris-marshall?tab=qu...

[4] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75361518/accessing-an-io...

[5] https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/thats-not-what-ships...

[6] https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/leaving-a-legacy/

[7] https://stackoverflow.com/a/75364118/879365

[8] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_Generic_Swift_Tool...

[9] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62697317/strange-link-er...

[10] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66736704/ibdesignable-ui...

[11] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26736909/how-do-i-add-th...

Re: Show HN: StackOverflow.gg – AI-generated answers to every coding question

#140
post #31

Complete the loop. Make another one that generates coding questions. Edit: come to think of it a Markov generator would probably be better on the question end so the hallucinated answers have more work to do.

One that makes stack-exchange sites.

chat-exchange
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