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Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by therealdrag0 »

finnh wrote: post #54
ISL wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ability to edit really is a wonderful feature. I find that I perpetually tweak forum/social media/Slack posts a minute or two after posting, just to improve clarity. The idea of email (even if it carries with it some versioning history) that is editable is really nice. Is there a way to interface Pony with email directly, so that an app isn't required? I can imagine giving ISL@ponymail.com out to people with the…

I am constitutionally unable to proofread before sending, and conversely unable to _not_ proofread after sending. It's bizarre. I wish GMail's "delay send" feature had a much longer maximum time...

Random thought. Try replacing the “send” action in your brain with “stand up”. For me I think “send” is almost a knee jerk reaction, almost a fidget respond where the monkey brain doesn’t like to sit still so it will do the action it sees next. So maybe “stand up” could be an action that satisfies monkey brain while also buying you time to reflect and transition mental states to a reviewing mindset.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by mcbishop »

My significant other is my only Telegram contact — used only for urgent stuff. We used email for non-urgent communication, but I didn't like having our one-on-one writing mixed with all the outside noise. We just switched to Pony for the non-urgent stuff. I anticipate her being my only Pony contact.

Anyway, I'm stoked to have Pony. Thanks!

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by Pxtl »

rkagerer wrote: post #53
justusthane wrote: post #38

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I understand what you're saying now, sorry. Personally I don't think that's necessary and think it just complicates a simple platform. To me, it seems akin to writing a letter and putting it in your mailbox. You can go and retrieve the letter any time before the mail carrier picks it up, but after they've picked it up it's gone.

How important is the precision of the pickup time? To extend your analogy, imagine telling the postman "I'm just finishing off this letter, could you come back in 5 minutes?" Except your postman is very observant, and noticed your frantic scribbling as he approached. In a display of empathy he gives you a few minutes to finish while he goes to grab a coffee.

Honestly I feel like the spirit of this application would be "just wait until the next delivery".

Any changes 10 minutes before the deadline? That one will wait for the next day. That way you're forced to think for at least 10 minutes "do I really want to send this?"

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by spacebear »

ajkjk wrote: post #113
neilalexander wrote: post #59

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> I hope that with enough traction and some investment, I'll be able to hire an expert to help add privacy features that I can advertise in good faith. Now is a really good time to learn. Seriously. libsodium is an excellent example of a library which provides user-friendly APIs that don't require you to roll your own crypto and is very strongly audited by experts — see https://libsodium.gitbook.io/doc/public-key_cry…

Or they could just not do it because it's not that important to most people... HN comment sections are not representative of the general populace.

I don't think this is true anymore. The average user may not know what end-to-end encryption is, but they know they don't trust Facebook. And Apple built a whole marketing campaign around user privacy.

I think most people do care about privacy, but they're usually powerless to defend it.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by cvs268 »

motoxpro wrote: post #132
feanaro wrote: post #26

If you made this a Matrix client, I think you'd really have something. Using the matrix-rust-sdk, you could even get E2EE that people are requesting for free.

I haven't heard of even one of the things you mentioned

FWIW, I had heard of Matrix, Rust, and E2EE. :-)

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

abadger9 wrote: post #106

Nice work! I'm building a messenger as well which plays on time dynamics (differently) as side project, your UI is phenomenal. Happy to see a thoughtful take on messenger apps, imo the current model is (1) stale (2) 20-30 years old without any interesting innovations other than emojies/channel organization.

Thanks you! I worked on this for a long time and hearing that means a ton.

> the current model is (1) stale (2) 20-30 years old without any interesting innovations other than emojies/channel organization.

Yeah that's the most fascinating thing! Honestly I kept waiting for amounted to almost two decades for someone to build Pony before I built it. It never made sense that just because the medium of transmissions (the Internet) is instant, all applications built on top of that medium had to be instant, too! I mean, how many instant apps do we need? So I made Pony, because instantaneity is what really stood out to me as a factor that if modified could make a big difference in usability and experience.

Would love to hear about the time dynamics you're working with if you can share.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by spacebear »

neilalexander wrote: post #59
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #8

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Thank you! I really appreciate it. > However, no mention of monetization strategy. Thanks for bringing this up. I was hoping to give a brief introduction and then to field questions. I will definitely not be selling personal data, or data otherwise. I do have some monetization ideas, and I'm really excited to try them out. They're all going to fit nicely with the core concept of the platform: periodicity. One of them…

> I hope that with enough traction and some investment, I'll be able to hire an expert to help add privacy features that I can advertise in good faith. Now is a really good time to learn. Seriously. libsodium is an excellent example of a library which provides user-friendly APIs that don't require you to roll your own crypto and is very strongly audited by experts — see https://libsodium.gitbook.io/doc/public-key_cry…

Yes! Strongly agree with this. E2E is easier than you think and will be much harder to add after the fact.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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Post by motoxpro »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #84
criddell wrote: post #80

This is really cool. What frameworks or technologies is this built on?

Thank you! And thanks for asking! I could go on about this forever :). I started working on this many years ago at this point trying to build the backend with Java/event sourcing[0] and the frontend as an SPA React app. I took the unfortunate/fortunate approach of building a webpage first[1]. I learned a lot from this experience and the result was something that worked okay but was terribly inflexible and difficult t…

Hasura is incredible! So happy to see you using it :)
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