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Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by plaidfuji »

spzb wrote: post #56

I am yet to see a vibe coded success that isn't a small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data. Let's see something ground-breaking. If AI coding is so great and is going to take us to 10x or 100x productivity let's see it generate a new, highly efficient compression algorithm or a state-of-art travelling salesman solution.

… or, let’s see humans who are now 10-100x more productive (due to automation of mundane tasks that are already part of the training data) do the things you’re asking for.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by gjimmel »

belter wrote: post #114
spzb wrote: post #56

I am yet to see a vibe coded success that isn't a small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data. Let's see something ground-breaking. If AI coding is so great and is going to take us to 10x or 100x productivity let's see it generate a new, highly efficient compression algorithm or a state-of-art travelling salesman solution.

Every two months, I run a very simple experiment to decide whether I should stop shorting NVDA....Think of it as my personal Pelican on a Bike test. :-) Here is how it works: I take the latest state of the art model, usually one of the two or three currently being hyped....and ask it to create a short document that teaches Java, Python, or Rust, in 30 to 60 min, complete with code examples. Then I ask the same model…

Ok, but if you wrote some massive corpus of code with no testing it probably would not compile either.

I think if you want to make this a useful experiment you should use one of the coding assistants that can test and iterate on its code, not some chatbot which is optimized to impress nontechnical people while being as cheap as possible to run.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by falcor84 »

boplicity wrote: post #89
boplicity wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's see something ground-breaking Why? People don't ask hammers to do much more than bash in nails into walls. AI coding tools can be incredibly powerful -- but shouldn't that power be focused on what the tool is actually good at? There are many, many times that AI coding tools can and should be used to create a "small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data." I do things like this very…

To be clear, I see a lot of "magical thinking" among people who promote AI. They imagine a "perfect" AI tool that can basically do everything better than a human can. Maybe this is possible. Maybe not. However, it's a fantasy. Granted, it is a compelling fantasy. But its not one based on reality. A good example: "AI will probably be smarter than any single human next year. By 2029, AI is probably smarter than all hum…

> AI will probably be smarter than any single human next year.

Arguably that's already so. There's no clear single dimension for "smart"; even within exact sciences, I wouldn't know how to judge e.g. "Who was smarter, Einstein or Von Neumann?". But for any particular "smarts competition", especially if it's time limited, I'd expect Claude 4.5 Opus and Gemini 3 Pro to get higher scores than any single human.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by cheevly »

belter wrote: post #114
spzb wrote: post #56

I am yet to see a vibe coded success that isn't a small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data. Let's see something ground-breaking. If AI coding is so great and is going to take us to 10x or 100x productivity let's see it generate a new, highly efficient compression algorithm or a state-of-art travelling salesman solution.

Every two months, I run a very simple experiment to decide whether I should stop shorting NVDA....Think of it as my personal Pelican on a Bike test. :-) Here is how it works: I take the latest state of the art model, usually one of the two or three currently being hyped....and ask it to create a short document that teaches Java, Python, or Rust, in 30 to 60 min, complete with code examples. Then I ask the same model…

You clearly live in a different reality than me entirely. Complete opposite experience.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by OptionOfT »

cube2222 wrote: post #18
spicyusername wrote: post #4

These are the perfect size projects vibe coding is currently good for. At some point you hit a project size that is too large or has too many interdependencies, and you have to be very careful about how you manage the context and should expect the llm to start generating too much code or subtle bugs. Once you hit that size, in my opinion, it's usually best to drop back to brainstorming mode, only use the llm to help…

I agree with you as far as project size for vibe-coding goes - as-in often not even looking at the generated code. But I have no issues with using Claude Code to write code in larger projects, including adapting to existing patterns, it’s just not vibe coding - I architect the modules, and I know more or less exactly what I want the end result to be. I review all code in detail to make sure it’s precisely what I want…

> I know more or less exactly what I want the end result to be

This is key.

And this is also why AI doesn't work that well for me. I don't know yet how I want it to work. Part of the work I do is discovering this, so it can be defined.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by falcor84 »

spzb wrote: post #95
boplicity wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's see something ground-breaking Why? People don't ask hammers to do much more than bash in nails into walls. AI coding tools can be incredibly powerful -- but shouldn't that power be focused on what the tool is actually good at? There are many, many times that AI coding tools can and should be used to create a "small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data." I do things like this very…

> Why? People don't ask hammers to do much more than bash in nails into walls. No one is propping up a multi-billion dollar tech bubble by promising hammers that do more than bash nails. As a point of comparison that makes no sense.

That's nitpicking; in this manner you can dismiss any analogy, by finding an aspect on which it's different from the original comparandum.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by josu »

spzb wrote: post #56

I am yet to see a vibe coded success that isn't a small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data. Let's see something ground-breaking. If AI coding is so great and is going to take us to 10x or 100x productivity let's see it generate a new, highly efficient compression algorithm or a state-of-art travelling salesman solution.

I was able to lead these two competitions using LLM agents, with no prior rust or c++ knowledge. They both have real world applications.

- https://highload.fun/tasks/15/leaderboard

- https://highload.fun/tasks/24/leaderboard

In both cases my score showed other players that there were better solutions and pushed them to improve their scores as well.

Re: Show HN: Vibe coding a bookshelf with Claude Code

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Post by pigpop »

Teknomadix wrote: post #108
boplicity wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's see something ground-breaking Why? People don't ask hammers to do much more than bash in nails into walls. AI coding tools can be incredibly powerful -- but shouldn't that power be focused on what the tool is actually good at? There are many, many times that AI coding tools can and should be used to create a "small program that already exists in multiple forms in the training data." I do things like this very…

>People don't ask hammers to do much more than bash in nails into walls. “It resembles a normal hammer but is outfitted with an little motor and an flexible head part which moves back and forth in a hammering motion, sparing the user from moving his or her own hand to hammer something by their own force and by so making their job easier” https://gremlins.fandom.com/wiki/Electric_Hammer

Good reference and a funny scene but doesn't quite hit home because we have invented improved hammers in the form of pneumatic nail guns and even cordless nailers (some pneumatic and some motorized) which could truly be called an "electric hammer".

With this context the example may support the quote, nail guns do make driving nails much faster and easier but that's all they do. You can't pull a nail with a nail gun and you can't use it for any of the other things that a regular hammer can do. They do 10x your ability to drive nails though.

On the other hand, LLMs are significantly more multi-purpose than a nail gun.

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