Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trad lead is climbing. Basically everything else is some sort of simulation.
It's 2024 and some people are gonna gatekeep that if you're not shoving cams in some bigwall granite, it's not climbing?
Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
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Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#122It looks really interesting, but as an experienced climber I'm not sure if just watching a video of my avatar climbing would really help with skill acquisition. Also, this claims that the wall type or video quality doesn't matter, but I have a hard time understanding how the model would be able to understand that a small crimp could possibly be dual textured and therefore has only a few specific ways of approaching i…
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trad lead is climbing. Basically everything else is some sort of simulation.
It's 2024 and some people are gonna gatekeep that if you're not shoving cams in some bigwall granite, it's not climbing?
And then there's indoors vs. outdoors, with some dedicated outdoor climbers regarding anything done in a climbing gym as "not real climbing".
Most people don't take this literally, and it's generally considered to be a standing joke in climbing. Sadly, though, some people take it very seriously.
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#124I feel like I’m the right audience for this - a not very good climber with unusual distribution of limbs. But I’m not interested - part of the fun in climbing is on sight climbs and solving problems yourself.
Man, where is the hacking spirit? OP posts a very cool, impressive hack and all everyone can talk about in the comments is how it actually isn't interesting to them.
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, where is the hacking spirit? OP posts a very cool, impressive hack and all everyone can talk about in the comments is how it actually isn't interesting to them.
It's great if someone wants to use the "hacking spirit" to help themself climb, it doesn't obligate everyone else to want to use the same technique; and frankly it's (slightly) more interesting hearing people say why they would or wouldn't use it than to have a bunch of comments just saying "awesome that you're doing this" and ignoring whether they'd find it interesting themselves or not.
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#126Congrats on a cool idea and most importantly the execution.
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#127It looks really interesting, but as an experienced climber I'm not sure if just watching a video of my avatar climbing would really help with skill acquisition. Also, this claims that the wall type or video quality doesn't matter, but I have a hard time understanding how the model would be able to understand that a small crimp could possibly be dual textured and therefore has only a few specific ways of approaching i…
I suspect that, absent that information about the exact right way to grab a hold, or the exact way to put a foot on a hold, you'll be limited to beta suggestions , which is fine, I think. It'd be like having a group of other climbers nearby to suggest different beta, even if you don't have any friends. So, in terms of solving complicated beta faster, I see real utility to this. It is very interesting that since the A…
> It is very interesting that since the AI climber is trained on actual climbers, it could, in principle, provide beta to climb consistent with your own style. If you train the bot exclusively on footage of yourself, it would return movement based on your style. If your style is finessy-all-backstep-all-the-time (aka The Edlinger), it can provide beta consistent with that. If your style is to square up and pull (otherwise known as The American), it can provide beta consistent with that instead.
I would think this is actually a Bad Thing. It's very easy to get stuck trying to make a sequence fit your style of climbing. The better approach (especially for long term skill acquisition) is a willingness to learn new styles. That's to say that every sequence is only solvable via one particular style, but I think long term development is hindered if you approach every crux with the one thing you are good at.
> So, in terms of solving complicated beta faster, I see real utility to this.
I can agree with this. But, to the point that others have made, I do wonder what this and the availability of beta videos for many, many routes and blocs does to climbing skill overall. Perhaps I'm just a grumpy old man, but, particularly when bouldering, sorting out the beta should be part of the journey toward eventually sending. Last fall, I visited Hueco Tanks after a six year absence. I suppose I was a bit disappointed to see so many people watching YouTube beta videos of nearly every problem they tried.
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#128Your demo video is monetized and showing 30 seconds of ads. Might not be a bad idea to switch the ads off.
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#129Edit: apprently I wasnt the first to make this joke. I emphasise that this is Really a cool project. Great job!
Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body
#130The AI analysed my body and said coldly, "Just take the elevator."
Even if you have a great BMI and muscular build, but if you are heavy, then at some point physics starts working against you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bouldering/comments/595a2m/how_much...
> The basic physics of strength/weight is that strength is reliant on the cross sectional area of muscles (number of fibers) and therefore increases quadratically, whereas weight is a function of volume and increases cubically. So the amount of strength you can gain as your mass increases will always lag behind the amount of mass gained. This is why insects are so strong compared to their bodyweight, and why the creatures with the highest strength/weight ratio's are all small.
> If we analzye male pro climbers we'll see that the heaviest of them max out at around 170-180 lbs (and there are VERY few of those, the majority being between 130 and 150), and that's not a fluke. In order to be a great rock climber you need strong forearms, and strong lats, and that's about it. Muscle mass, or fat mass basically anywhere else is mostly just pulling you off the wall (a strong core helps too but it doesn't need to weigh a lot).
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