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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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post #83

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> The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) prohibits circumventing an effective technological means of control that restricts access to a copyrighted work. I guess that would apply here. It doesn't if you're not in the US.

Kim Dotcom believed so too, didn't fare too well.

Megaupload did business in the US, they had a lot of servers in the US. IIRC that was the basis for his arrest: the crime took place on US territory.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#122
First of all congrats on the project and thank you for open sourcing it.

> Freedom of information is an essential pillar of democracy

However, this reads like this tool saves democracy by letting you bypass a crappy pay wall on a site you visit once a year, and that whoever wants to get paid for their published content online is an enemy of democracy.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#123
post #16

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Lovely, the Google classic "ban the world" approach -- I've been desperately trying to move my client off of vercel, this might just be the gasoline.

I followed this drama on Twitter. The author was breaking the terms of service and creating DMCA support burden for Vercel. They had proactively been in touch with him a few times to reach a solution. I think it’s quite reasonable that they blocked the account rather than the project. You wouldn’t have got that level of service from big tech.

Perhaps, yet it is also reasonable to see this as a reason for anyone else to avoid Vercel.

Just because it's their right to conduct this way, doesn't mean it's not everyone elses exactly equal right to judge that and avoid.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#124
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kim Dotcom believed so too, didn't fare too well.

Megaupload did business in the US, they had a lot of servers in the US. IIRC that was the basis for his arrest: the crime took place on US territory.

12ft.io and vercel have servers in US, so what's your argument here?

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#125
It seemed to me like 12ft.io was useful for a couple of months, but then stopped being useful as they agreed to blacklist more and more URLs. I thought everybody switched to archive.is, which (so far) works 100% of the time, even if it is sometimes a pain in the butt.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#127

It seemed to me like 12ft.io was useful for a couple of months, but then stopped being useful as they agreed to blacklist more and more URLs. I thought everybody switched to archive.is, which (so far) works 100% of the time, even if it is sometimes a pain in the butt.

Is there an open source version of archive.is?

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#128

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There's a huge need for subscription bundles. I'd gladly pay $20/mo for access to a bunch of big names, even if I'm limited to like 60 articles per month combined across those sources. Instead I just don't pay anyone, turn back when I encounter a paywall and look for someone's summary if I'm really interested.

Isn’t that the value-prop of Apple News?

In my experience Apple news relies entirely on the app for reading articles, so if you are on a computer without the app or following a link that doesn't auto-redirect to the app then you still hit the paywall.

I'd rather have a system that was just a cross-website web account.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#129
post #127

It seemed to me like 12ft.io was useful for a couple of months, but then stopped being useful as they agreed to blacklist more and more URLs. I thought everybody switched to archive.is, which (so far) works 100% of the time, even if it is sometimes a pain in the butt.

Is there an open source version of archive.is?

The operator of archive.is must constantly re-up on hacked credentials for wsj and nyt. Given this is a critical aspect of the service, it is not really feasible/useful to open source it.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#130

First of all congrats on the project and thank you for open sourcing it. > Freedom of information is an essential pillar of democracy However, this reads like this tool saves democracy by letting you bypass a crappy pay wall on a site you visit once a year, and that whoever wants to get paid for their published content online is an enemy of democracy.

Ironically, the rest of the paragraph you quoted from gives their reasoning why they believe this tool is needed beyond "whoever wants to get paid for their published content online is an enemy of democracy". Double-plus democracy and all that...
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