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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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I wonder if we could solve content moderation at scale through gamification. Imagine a game where the content you saw was actual content from somewhere and your decisions could influence if it gets taken down. In exchange, you get points.

What do I do with the points ?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#122

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That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure you understand the implications of it though. Were it so simple, then it is plausible enough to construct a society where you have no free speech at all, anywhere, without your legal rights being violated. In fact, you all seem to be constructing that society even as we speak. Given the audience of this particular forum, more than a few of you are literally doing just that,…

It's not a theory, it's literally how free speech works in the real world. Private entities can't be compelled by the government to to publish content they don't want to publish, just like they also can't be silenced by that government. What you seem to be asking for is a world where the government can override the autonomy of publications and force them to publish specific items. How is that "free" speech?

No, that's not how it works in the real world. that's how it works in your low-fidelity perception of the real world. You've never much bothered to check if your model matches the observations you might make.

Look at the statement "private entities can't be compelled by the government". Which government are we even talking about here? It's quite clear that many governments do actually compel such things when it suits them. Have you never noticed?

You might switch to making the argument that "private governments shouldn't x", and I suppose if you were clever they might even be good arguments. You might also make the argument that this government or that government doesn't currently do it... but that boils down to "I want it to continue not compelling x". Hardly an argument, except maybe for the status quo.

You don't know what I'm asking for. It's an idea far enough outside your narrow cone of comprehension and even narrower cone of imagination that we might as well not even be speaking the same language.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#123

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That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure you understand the implications of it though. Were it so simple, then it is plausible enough to construct a society where you have no free speech at all, anywhere, without your legal rights being violated. In fact, you all seem to be constructing that society even as we speak. Given the audience of this particular forum, more than a few of you are literally doing just that,…

Leaping from "I get to decide what's on my website" to "you've created a society" is pretty silly. Your argument is missing any meaningful linkages. It would be stronger if you articulated them instead of handwaving about plausibility. Personally I don't think social media speech is that important. It's ad-based, convenience-driven, and fickle. If it were to disappear people would just move to different media.

If some magical event occurred where it did disappear, what do you imagine would be the media that people would move to?

I'm coming up blank. Could it even be non-electronic in this day and age? If it were, it'd almost certainly look identical to current social media. If it didn't look like that, what, we'd all get ham licenses and tap out our opinions in Morse? Maybe we'd set up landline partylines and gossip until the wee hours of the morning?

Would people start mailing in letters to the editor again to magazine printed on cheap acid-soaked paper? Wearing sandwich signs and walking down the sidewalks in major metropolitan areas?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaping from "I get to decide what's on my website" to "you've created a society" is pretty silly. Your argument is missing any meaningful linkages. It would be stronger if you articulated them instead of handwaving about plausibility. Personally I don't think social media speech is that important. It's ad-based, convenience-driven, and fickle. If it were to disappear people would just move to different media.

If some magical event occurred where it did disappear, what do you imagine would be the media that people would move to? I'm coming up blank. Could it even be non-electronic in this day and age? If it were, it'd almost certainly look identical to current social media. If it didn't look like that, what, we'd all get ham licenses and tap out our opinions in Morse? Maybe we'd set up landline partylines and gossip until…

It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat". You see, you have this mat, with different conclusions written on it that you could jump to!

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#125
post #94

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The gpt could moderate the product reviews for her. It doesn't have to be completely automatic. It could automatically do the easy ones, and for the medium ones tell a strong guess but needs confirmation, and for the hard ones it tells a more complete context to consider and the user has to decide.

This is a silly idea for a multitude of reasons, which I started enumerating, and then quickly stopped.

ok thanks for your consideration

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#126

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While I appreciate the work that dang does, it might be a bit much to insinuate that the site only exists because of it.

If there's any other special sauce, I haven't noticed it.

The secret sauce is that there isn't such a torrent of awful content in need of moderation that we need more than a handful of moderators, despite a pretty big userbase.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

#127
post #117

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> I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. This would make the blue look-into-it-more button useless > the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). You’re supposed to us…

That button was just weird and added extra time, while speed was a goal. Also I don’t think that button always had raw user content, it was also sometimes just a description, just with more details like a hint. Iirc

yes. the point of the button is to add extra time. the point of the button is to decide if you want to make a decision based on the limited context you have directly in front of you or do you want to spend some time getting more context to make a better decision. which is absolutely a thing in real moderation
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