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Re 3: What you really need is Caddy [0] with this dynamic DNS module: https://github.com/mholt/caddy-dynamicdns Caddy has state-of-the-art certificate automation and TLS support, and with that module, it automatically updates DNS records if users have non-static IPs. It'll also serve certs for localhost domains (use *.localhost IMO). [0]: https://caddyserver.com (I'm the author, for disclosure)
Caddy is awesome. Personally, I'm delighted with it and I'm glad Matt is here promoting it. The more people use it the better it gets. Thanks for an awesome product Matt!!
Show HN: Umbrel – A personal server OS for self-hosting
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Re: Show HN: Umbrel – A personal server OS for self-hosting
#122The major problem with Umbrel is that even though they package all in one-solutions. If something goes wrong you rely on umbrel for issues (against decentralization). You will rely on their updates for any problems.
start9 built an linux os group up. all services are individually packaged from source.
umbrel packages all dependencies together (via docker container) which could causes issues for maintenace.
// start9 vs umbrel https://youtu.be/kmfzATMxCj4
// what is start9 embassy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMvXJxYamw
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If self hosting were as easy and stable as signing up for a cloud service, I think people would switch
And data recovery services would have a field day :) Self hosting in 2022 is not exactly a walk in the park. Besides the obvious security risks of data loss/theft through exploits, you also have a challenge making anything as redundant as a cloud service. Most major cloud services offer multi geographical redundancy, meaning if one data center completely vanishes (like the OVH fire), your data is safe in another data…
45×24×30×0.2/1000=2.6$/month
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And data recovery services would have a field day :) Self hosting in 2022 is not exactly a walk in the park. Besides the obvious security risks of data loss/theft through exploits, you also have a challenge making anything as redundant as a cloud service. Most major cloud services offer multi geographical redundancy, meaning if one data center completely vanishes (like the OVH fire), your data is safe in another data…
> And data recovery services would have a field day :) Maybe Umbrel could sell that as an extra -- you have an Umbrel box, it automatically sends an encrypted copy of your data to its servers.
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> except that its marketing people seem to want the product to be perceived as beautiful It means they care about beauty in the first place, which is already a huge plus.
To be honest, software nowadays is more lacking in other areas. Putting “beauty” as a foremost concern is more of a sign that they don’t see that lack, and therefore are less likely to address it. “Beauty” doesn’t make software more practical or its use more productive. The tools in my toolbox don’t have to be “beautiful”. They don’t become better tools by being more “beautiful”. (I’m putting “beautiful” in quotes be…
Say I have a knife - of course I want it first and foremost to be a "good" knife (again, "good" between quotes, because that is also subjective). But for a good knife that I'll have around for many years I want it to be also beautiful. I would not want a good knife with an ugly plastic handle. But of course, like you say, I would also not want a beautifully carved knife that is unusable.
This Umbrel thing we are discussing here - I happen to love it, and I've been using it constantly for more than half a year. I looked at the competition as well, and guess what - the alternatives with ugly UIs have a terrible architecture behind the scenes. Take RaspiBlitz for example, the most beloved competitor of Umbrel - I went through the source code trying to understand how it works and I was horrified. All just files full of magic commands placed in magic locations. Good luck trying to deploy an app you create on RaspiBlitz! Sure you can, but it's not "nice". Umbrel on the other hand has a clean architecture and a short tutorial on how to make any app run on it - dockerize it, create a yaml to describe it, BAM!
Never tried the Start9 Embassy, but I think it's at least equally good, and maybe a little bit less beautiful. I'll try it anyway. But I don't see myself trying the outright ugly alternatives.
I guess somebody that tries to make something beautiful also tends to find beautiful solutions to otherwise mundane problems.
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Thanks for the taking the time to try Umbrel out, great observations! 1. Re crypto apps, I figured some additional context may help. Before our today's release, Umbrel was a self-hosting OS primarily geared towards Bitcoin node users. Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS. So expect to see a lot more non-Bitc…
> Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS Hello, do you have plans to interop with an established selfhosting distro and package scheme? Yunohost, Freedombox and Libreserver come to mind. If you'd rather go the containerized/virtualized way, there's a dozen or so distros based on Docker/LXC/K8S to make selfhost…
Which ones do you have in mind? Would you count ChromeOS as one of those, too?
Re: Show HN: Umbrel – A personal server OS for self-hosting
#128This is a service I'm interested in, but by fuck is their website annoying. Instead of having stupid moving rectangles of services you can run on Umbrel, why not just display each service as a paragraph of text, with an icon next to it? No animations, and no rectangles moving across the screen. These people have put a good deal of effort into their landing screen, unfortunately this effort has made it worse than it w…
I agree, that's my least favorite part of the site as well. We'll update it with a browsable directory of all the available apps in our app store soon.
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It's accessible by tor because it's primarily a bitcoin/lightning node. If you're not interested in that core value prop, umbrel isn't for you.
I am amazed to see people are interested in running Bitcoin nodes. As far as I know, none of the people I have talked to about Bitcoin or shit coins have any interest in running a full node. This is the thing that convinced me that cryptocurrency is a fad or worse a place people see to make a quick buck. When I looked into it, a Bitcoin node took over 300GB of space on your computer. I'd imagine that is over 600 GB n…