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Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by detaro »

IamCarbonMan wrote: post #48
mattnewton wrote: post #42

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I don't know what they would have to be mining to make cpu's or integrated GPU's make sense, certainly not bitcoin where even if you pay nothing for electricity to are unlikely to be able to do any useful work in the time someone visits your site.

PirateBay probably won't make any money. I'm considering adding this to an online game, which would probably generate a modest income. Video and social media sites could definitely benefit as well.

In the discussion yesterday I estimated 2-5 cents per 24 hours of mining on a users machine (based on quoted hashrates and current prices). That's really not much, even if people actively let it run to help and there is a medium efficiency gain to have somewhere.

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by thinkloop »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #120
thinkloop wrote: post #118

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> Websites stealing cpu time to mine crypto currency is ridiculous It is being offered as an option, not being stolen. > Get a user or two to donate once a month and you will even run a profit. Or skip that Starbucks once a month. I want to make millions of dollars so that I can build schools for children, why are you limiting the value of my effort and creation?

Because there is a 99% chance that you are going to fail. Sorry but your card game isn't going to save the world, let's not wreck it while trying.

You don't even know what my card game is.

It's a decentralized uncensorable poker game with no rake that makes money from light client-side mining of relatively cpu efficient coins - you don't think I can build a single school from that?

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by SCHiM »

Leaving the problem with battery life behind for a moment, this really has the makings of a perfect solution to the monetization problem imo. It's decentralized, democratic, etc.

Also when taking the problem with battery life into consideration, if the website notifies you that it does this you're free to find another website.

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by xg15 »

thinbeige wrote: post #60

Today I read that The Pirate Bay tested this new form of monetization (running a miner in you browser). I thought that might solve website monetization finally. We still have to figure out stuff like battery draining on mobile but it is the first step and I can buy some Monero which is well suited for JS/CPU mining (or in other words, it doesn't have a huge upside when mined on GPUs). And what do I see here? That bef…

> And what do I see here? That before it even started people are fighting it.

Seems to me, before it even started, people started abusing it. (e.g. by just keeping it running through the whole session)

If you want to invent some acceptable method of compensation for the web, you should make sure that both sides have power to negotiate a fair price.

With ads and tracking, it seems to be all or nothing: Either unreasonably high prices (perpetual tracking and potential malware for a 5 minute article) or unreasonably low (use an adblocker and get it free)

The "proof of work" payment method seems to have the same problem.

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by mhluongo »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #90
thinkloop wrote: post #83

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You prefer s/he didn't provide the option? Dude wants to make some money for his/her effort. Chill.

Yes. Websites stealing cpu time to mine crypto currency is ridiculous. I'd go as far as calling it malware. It's a waste of my power and will wear out my hardware faster than necessary. It's also bad for the environment due to useless power drain. If we're talking about a server for a card game you can just get a cheapo dedicated server and you'll be fine. Get a user or two to donate once a month and you will even ru…

And you can use another card game. Get over it, as long as it's disclosed everyone involved are consenting.

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by [deleted] »

thinkloop wrote: post #122
tokenizerrr wrote: post #120

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Because there is a 99% chance that you are going to fail. Sorry but your card game isn't going to save the world, let's not wreck it while trying.

You don't even know what my card game is. It's a decentralized uncensorable poker game with no rake that makes money from light client-side mining of relatively cpu efficient coins - you don't think I can build a single school from that?

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Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by tokenizerrr »

mhluongo wrote: post #125
tokenizerrr wrote: post #90

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Yes. Websites stealing cpu time to mine crypto currency is ridiculous. I'd go as far as calling it malware. It's a waste of my power and will wear out my hardware faster than necessary. It's also bad for the environment due to useless power drain. If we're talking about a server for a card game you can just get a cheapo dedicated server and you'll be fine. Get a user or two to donate once a month and you will even ru…

And you can use another card game. Get over it, as long as it's disclosed everyone involved are consenting.

Sure thing. I can also block whatever crap I don't want running in my browser so I'll be doing that. Just giving feedback.

Re: Show HN: No Coin – A browser extension to block coin miners

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Post by tokenizerrr »

IamCarbonMan wrote: post #119
tokenizerrr wrote: post #114

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Ads obviously, as long as you're not using them to spread different kind of malware. It doesn't matter that much to me personally, I'll be blocking whatever garbage you put out anyway, but ads are objectively the better choice as they dont needlessly wreck the environment any further, nor cause unnecessary wear and tear on the hardware of your users. Anyway, I'd be very interested in hearing how a card game simulator…

God, would you shut up? Jesus, sorry to burst your bubble but people are running their damn CPUs no matter what I do. I heard that some people would prefer client-side mining to ads and I thought I might give that option for those that want it. But I guess that'll cause the Apocalypse next Friday so I'll just go host my application at online.com™ for the low low price of $9 a month, since it's just a card game and ca…

Nope. If you post your idea on a public forum I will be responding with my opinion. Feel free to stop posting if you don't want my replies.

I'm also genuinely curious what kind of card game has such intensive server requirements because I just don't see it. Maybe you have a legitimate need to contribute to global warming, it just seems unlikely to me.

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