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Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by rilita » Fri, May 22, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #83

rilita wrote: post #75

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I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter. If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent. The whole attitude of "I want to know the salary since I intend to switch again in a couple of years" is exactly why I…

> I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter. Fair enough. > If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent. That's actually the reverse filter - it would weed out the ones you'd like to talk about, and leave o…

You would be surprised at recruiters tolerance for being told off. I have experimented with some and they actually take it very well. They are human beings, as long as you are real they will respond in term.

I don't say something like that until they know me a bit though. I have asked my current consultant group "What happens if I tell you to fuck off?" The guy responded "Well I wouldn't like it, but you do your job well and I wouldn't take it personally."

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by marktangotango » Fri, May 22, 2015, 6:38 PM UTC

xofer wrote: post #100

marktangotango wrote: post #95

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Lately, if I can get a job description from the recruiter, I'll reply with 'I would require ${current salary * 1.1} to consider moving at this time'. Usually I get responses such 'they would go that salary for the right candidate'. Note you have to specify straight salary, not total compensation, otherwise they try to tack on all the benefits everyone offers now as 'total compensation package' BS.

Right -- for the right candidate. I don't buy things without vetting them first; why would I expect someone else to? The suggestion that there is some exact figure out there that you are worth is false binary thinking. There are lots of factors that make you a better or worse candidate for any particular job. The better you are at the art of feeling out the situation and presenting yourself in the best light, the bet…

Absolutely, this just let's me know if I even want to expend energy to pursue the position.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by ryan-c » Fri, May 22, 2015, 9:46 PM UTC

Kevin_S wrote: post #94

ryan-c wrote: post #28

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Re asking recruiters about salary - it's about not wasting everyone's time. If someone's happy with their current job and would need a substantial pay increase to consider leaving it, then it is a waste of both their time and the recruiters time if the salary requirements can't be met. I would change that field's description to include "approximate", though. The most negative reaction I've ever gotten to something li…

Can you tell me more about the last part? I am interning currently with an information security consulting company and most of what I will be doing is working on PCI-DSS audits. Accounting/Econ degree, I am having trouble finding salary ranges for professionals in this area.

There's a lot less people in security than in software engineering, and paranoia comes with the field, so the data really isn't very good. I'm also not entry level. I don't want to do compliance stuff because none of the people I've talked to seem happy with it - the salary range I quote for being willing to do that sort of work is fairly far beyond what I expect to get.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by russelluresti » Fri, May 22, 2015, 11:42 PM UTC

rilita wrote: post #72

mathgeek wrote: post #25

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> You should be more interested in the opportunity not the exact pay. This looks like a money grab. Having a good career is more important than a dollar figure. If you're already in a position that you enjoy, the dollar figure is certainly one of, if not the most important items on a cold call job offer. Asking them to open the discussion with a rough number is more than fair, in my book.

I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.

You know what can make your life really stressful? The inability to pay rent or afford clothes/food for your spouse and kids.

Pay is hugely important in determining your quality of life. You can't just completely ignore the subject.

If the job opportunity being offered doesn't pay enough for you to afford your house or apartment, you can write it off no matter how interesting you might find the work.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by liquidcool » Sat, May 23, 2015, 3:12 AM UTC

dorfsmay wrote: post #18

Are recruiters that big of an issue for you guys? I do not get that many emails/contacts from recruiters, and I find a quick polite email exchange or one phone call allows to quickly clarify the situation and we're done. I actually welcome recruiters contacting me, it keeps me in the loop of what's going, market rate etc... and sometime help me finding new gigs. EDIT: It seems that where you are located makes a big d…

Title/position affects it significantly. When my title went from software engineer and manager to independent consultant (and later, CEO) it went way down because they usually don't want to deal with corp to corp consultants/firms.

Of course, I do occasionally get people pitching me for software development and staffing services, even though my profile clearly shows I do both. You can't avoid the robots and grossly incompetent.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by throwaway12309 » Sat, May 23, 2015, 7:02 PM UTC

rilita wrote: post #105

throwaway12309 wrote: post #90

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No wonder there is a tech shortage. "I want people that don't care about money so I can treat them like slaves" YAY Go Tech! /s

We don't need more tech people. We need more tech people who give a shit about their jobs besides getting paid.

Why? Not being an asshole, seriously wondering?

Let's assume we have two people, and for sake of discussion, both will only work 8 hours a day. Do you think enthusiasm will trump experience and profissionalism?

I don't follow the latest trends in frameworks/languages, I like solid solutions over start up mentality of ship fast and think over the problems and design good solutions for my clients. I work with SV startups that have all these people that 'care' but I'm still called to clean up their shit. And because of this, I make very very good money. I still won't work more than 8 hours a day, and except for a couple hours to unwind (HN, news, reddit) I don't even touch the computer and spend the time with my family/community. And I can tell you, if sweeping streets paid me more, I would be sweeping streets. I don't give a fuck about the work I do. Want me to work on oil platform, if you pay me, sure! A social network for gerbils, if you pay me, sure! HFT, if you pay me, sure!