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Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by mbesto »

graemep wrote: post #30
spyridonas wrote: post #13

As a European solo developer, I’ve switched entirely to European alternatives for all my infrastructure since the beginning of the year. Cloudflare > Bunny.net AWS > Hetzner Business email > Infomaniak Not a single client site has experienced downtime, and it feels great to finally decouple from U.S. services.

Those are all much smaller. Smaller providers have a much stronger incentive to be reliable, as they will lose customers if they are not. In a corporate settings management will say "this would not have happened if you had gone with AWS". its the current version of "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" (we had MS and others in between). Hetzner provides a much simpler set of services than AWS. Less complexity to go…

> Smaller providers have a much stronger incentive to be reliable, as they will lose customers if they are not.

Hard disagree. A smaller provider will think twice about whether they use a Tier 1 data center versus a Tier IV data center because the cost difference is substantial and in many cases prohibitively expensive.

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by AznHisoka »

littlestymaar wrote: post #85
MiscIdeaMaker99 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe? Maybe not? It depends on the nature of the outage and how motivated their customers are to switch over to a new service.

The good news is that we're just living in a perfect natural experiment: Cloudflare just caused a massive internet outage costing millions of dollars worldwide, in part due to a very sloppy mistake that definitely ought to have been prevented (using Rust's “unwrap” in production ). Let's see how many customers they lose because of that and we'll see how big are their incentives. (If you look at the evolution of their…

That experiment already happened last year with Crowdstrike. Nothing detrimental happened. Their revenue actually increased and stock went up

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by benatkin »

herbst wrote: post #42
spyridonas wrote: post #13

As a European solo developer, I’ve switched entirely to European alternatives for all my infrastructure since the beginning of the year. Cloudflare > Bunny.net AWS > Hetzner Business email > Infomaniak Not a single client site has experienced downtime, and it feels great to finally decouple from U.S. services.

Big fan of bunny.net as CDN, however Cloudflare is my "smart" filter for all kind of attacks, AI scrapers, malicious traffic, etc. Am I missing something or is bunny.net not actually a replacement for that?

That component is what keeps me from using Cloudflare for anything. Not because it exists, but because the way it's run is terrible for the open web: https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/04/cloudflare_blocking_n...

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by graemep »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #92
graemep wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all much smaller. Smaller providers have a much stronger incentive to be reliable, as they will lose customers if they are not. In a corporate settings management will say "this would not have happened if you had gone with AWS". its the current version of "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" (we had MS and others in between). Hetzner provides a much simpler set of services than AWS. Less complexity to go…

> A lot of people want the brand recognition too. Not to mention the familiarity of the company, its services and expectations. You can hire people with experience with AWS, Azure or GCP, but the more niche you go, the higher the possibility that some people you hire might not know how to work with those systems and their nuances, which is fine they can learn as they work, but that adds to ramp up time and could lead…

I think that is often the perception, but is usually mistaken.

Smaller providers tend to have simpler systems so it only adds to ramp up time if you hire someone who only knows AWS or whatever. Simpler also means fewer mistakes.

If you stick to a simple set of services (e.g. VPS or containers + object storage) there are very few service specific nuances.

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by simultsop »

graemep wrote: post #30
spyridonas wrote: post #13

As a European solo developer, I’ve switched entirely to European alternatives for all my infrastructure since the beginning of the year. Cloudflare > Bunny.net AWS > Hetzner Business email > Infomaniak Not a single client site has experienced downtime, and it feels great to finally decouple from U.S. services.

Those are all much smaller. Smaller providers have a much stronger incentive to be reliable, as they will lose customers if they are not. In a corporate settings management will say "this would not have happened if you had gone with AWS". its the current version of "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" (we had MS and others in between). Hetzner provides a much simpler set of services than AWS. Less complexity to go…

And they sell when get big but can't afford to be.

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by nonethewiser »

spyridonas wrote: post #13

As a European solo developer, I’ve switched entirely to European alternatives for all my infrastructure since the beginning of the year. Cloudflare > Bunny.net AWS > Hetzner Business email > Infomaniak Not a single client site has experienced downtime, and it feels great to finally decouple from U.S. services.

AWS and Cloudflare don't actually experience more downtime, it's just a bigger story when they are down because so many people use them.

You can use whatever infrastructure you want for whatever reason, but you may not have an accurate picture of the availability.

Re: Show HN: I made a down detector for down detector

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Post by monooso »

nonethewiser wrote: post #118
spyridonas wrote: post #13

As a European solo developer, I’ve switched entirely to European alternatives for all my infrastructure since the beginning of the year. Cloudflare > Bunny.net AWS > Hetzner Business email > Infomaniak Not a single client site has experienced downtime, and it feels great to finally decouple from U.S. services.

AWS and Cloudflare don't actually experience more downtime, it's just a bigger story when they are down because so many people use them. You can use whatever infrastructure you want for whatever reason, but you may not have an accurate picture of the availability.

> AWS and Cloudflare don't actually experience more downtime, it's just a bigger story when they are down because so many people use them.

This may be true over a long enough timeframe, but GP stated that their clients had experienced no downtime since switching at the start of the year.

That is clearly better than both AWS and Cloudflare during that time.

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