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Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by zmmmmm »

timje1 wrote: post #22
chippiewill wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, the UK Police wouldn't typically let you get away with "it's just a joke". This would constitute a mixture of identity theft, fake ID and misuse of computers.

It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though

the law is pretty fickle that way. It's illegal to rob a bank no matter how badly you bungle it. Saying afterwards "but my gun was clearly made of plastic" probably won't get you completely off the hook if you actually threatened someone with it and asked for money (this site is literally titled Use Your Local MP's ID - it's expressing an intent).

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by broken-kebab »

i80and wrote: post #78
jojobas wrote: post #69

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Clamping down on freedoms is not conservative policy. Crap like Communications Act 2003 and Ofcom has been Labour policy for decades.

Clamping down on freedoms has been the raison d'être of "conservative" parties across the world my entire life

Both "conservatism" and "freedoms" mean a lot of different things even within anglophone countries, not to mention the obvious fact that political actors of any color never strictly follow their foundational ideology. This makes me believe that speaking for the whole world is a bit too daring, and your statement is purely emotional.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by raincole »

djoldman wrote: post #105
raincole wrote: post #91

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Don't listen to the sibling commenter who doesn't know what they're talking about. No, you don't need ID verification to use search engine or read news in China. However, sites that depend on user-generated content (like forums) would ask for at least your phone number.

How easily can a burner be used? Are sim cards easily swapped?

> Are sim cards easily swapped?

Very easily. Apple even specifically introduced dual-sim iPhone for China.

> How easily can a burner be used?

You need to bring your ID to a telecom to get a phone number legally. But I don't know if there is a black market for burner sims.

(Last time I've been there was a few years ago so take it with a grain of salt.)

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by jrockway »

This is so good. Not only does it get you past the verification screen, it infects the next generation of AI models with AI slop, and it adds MPs to a list of suspicious names that are likely fraud. That means that it ruins the Internet for MPs, which is just wonderful. Like, I legitimately think that Starmer might have extra trouble signing up for things now.

All in all, one of those ideas that sounds good on the surface, but the more you think about it the better it gets.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by brookst »

subscribed wrote: post #109
brookst wrote: post #71

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“Don’t upset the autocrats!”

You jest, but a barrister was threatened with arrest while holding a blank piece of paper on the protest: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/barrister-threatened-...

I wasn’t jesting. I was (too) obliquely saying that when we all hasten to accede to the autocrats before they even ask, we become complicit in huge social evils.

I’m not suggesting that everyone most do self-immolation, but if it were me, I would draw the line at being afraid of being “caught” for an obvious prank using no PII. Screw that, come arrest me if things have really gotten that bad.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by MiddleEndian »

yegle wrote: post #43

Chinese Netizens are very familiar with Xi Jinping's national ID number precisely for this reason :-) ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. People figured out they can just use Xi's ID number.

lol on a much lighter note, for many years I used to use 111-111-1111 as a general phone number for CVS card discounts. It stopped working several years ago though.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by kstrauser »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #116
yegle wrote: post #43

Chinese Netizens are very familiar with Xi Jinping's national ID number precisely for this reason :-) ID verification is enforced on all Chinese websites. People figured out they can just use Xi's ID number.

lol on a much lighter note, for many years I used to use 111-111-1111 as a general phone number for CVS card discounts. It stopped working several years ago though.

I used 888-888-8888 at Target yesterday. Shhh.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by jrockway »

Aeolun wrote: post #106
arrowsmith wrote: post #99

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What law is being broken here exactly? It's certainly illegal to make fake IDs, but I don't know if that applies to just generating an image rather than fully forging a physical copy. And anyway these images look nothing like the real IDs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_the_United_...

Hmm, yeah. It’s almost as if they deliberately made them look less like the real ID’s, because I have little doubt that openai would be perfectly capable of generating that image.

Another thing to think about is that this is just passthrough from an AI model. If it's illegal to make a website that spits out fake IDs, then OpenAI is illegal until they filter them.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by jrockway »

John7878781 wrote: post #31
timje1 wrote: post #22

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It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though

It's better to be safe than sorry. For your own best interest, I would shut down the site and delete this post.

Comply in advance. It's the #1 way to make illegal laws work!

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by computerfriend »

raincole wrote: post #113
djoldman wrote: post #105

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How easily can a burner be used? Are sim cards easily swapped?

> Are sim cards easily swapped? Very easily. Apple even specifically introduced dual-sim iPhone for China. > How easily can a burner be used? You need to bring your ID to a telecom to get a phone number legally. But I don't know if there is a black market for burner sims. (Last time I've been there was a few years ago so take it with a grain of salt.)

> Very easily. Apple even specifically introduced dual-sim iPhone for China.

Because they don't support eSIMs there.

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