Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

stepify.tech

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 135 posts

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#111

Post by mattl »

_akhe wrote: post #110
mattl wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote you: Do you know how YouTube embeds work? This site summarizes videos regardless of their status on YouTube. Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way and there's just a little box telling you that you could watch the video on YouTube. This site exists to take the work of others. If not, please provide a link to the YouTube channel made by the person behind stepify and a…

> Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way Again wrong - the creator can disable embeds for any video on their YouTube dashboard.

And this website ignores them. It will still summarize your video but won’t provide your profile icon or video title.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#112

Post by shortformblog »

j45 wrote: post #99
_akhe wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and to be clear the creator gets the revenue, not this website: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-... > Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. Furthermore, the YouTube creator can choose to not let their video be embedded if they wanted that. Do you have a problem with every…

It's really interesting how some folks don't see this as an additional way to drive traffic to the video, when so many channels have a website of their videos. This type of tool could help create much more meaningful blog or website type content to build a mailing list around the community.

Who owns the mailing list? Who owns the blog? This random guy who built this tool, or the actual creator who made the content?

The problem with this thought process is that the creator has been taken out of the equation without actually talking to them about it, and when that question gets raised, there just seems to be lots of pushback, likely in part because it touches on the primary complication of LLMs (that a whole bunch of copyrighted content is getting siphoned without considering the people who made that information).

In this particular case, this is literally taking the information from that content and presenting it in a format the creator did not agree to, lowering the potential value of the video to end users. It is much closer to violating the creator’s copyright than generative AI often is.

Instead of pushing back, we need to bring the creators into the discussion to ensure this is something they’re OK with.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#113

Post by _akhe »

mattl wrote: post #111
_akhe wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way Again wrong - the creator can disable embeds for any video on their YouTube dashboard.

And this website ignores them. It will still summarize your video but won’t provide your profile icon or video title.

Have any proof for this claim?

How do you know it doesn't fail to publish a page when there's no video available?

^ Just curious where you got the info. Beyond that:

Being publicly available on YouTube would still mean it is allowed to be summarized by another person. This restriction you speak of has never existed in any copyright law.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#114

Post by mattl »

_akhe wrote: post #113
mattl wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this website ignores them. It will still summarize your video but won’t provide your profile icon or video title.

Have any proof for this claim? How do you know it doesn't fail to publish a page when there's no video available? ^ Just curious where you got the info. Beyond that: Being publicly available on YouTube would still mean it is allowed to be summarized by another person. This restriction you speak of has never existed in any copyright law.

I tried it with a video I have set to not allow embedding.

Summary just like any other video but just the standard box when embedding is disabled.

You should try it for yourself with one of your own YouTube videos from your own channel.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#115

Post by _akhe »

mattl wrote: post #93
_akhe wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't an embed better than a link? Click play vs click a link then click play? It's embedded and says the channel name in a giant font size. The creator gets the views. > People won't get views from this Do you know how YouTube embeds work?

No, a link would link to the YouTube channel so it would be good as well as the embed. The creator doesn't get views unless someone clicks to play their video. Most people won't click to play the video. Also this site makes no attempt to check if a video can be embedded before displaying the text.

There's a link in the embed itself too - what is your complaint?

They give credit to the creator - is your complaint that they shouldn't be allowed to summarize a video in text format? Like every blog or news that ever embeds a video does?

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#116

Post by mattl »

_akhe wrote: post #115
mattl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, a link would link to the YouTube channel so it would be good as well as the embed. The creator doesn't get views unless someone clicks to play their video. Most people won't click to play the video. Also this site makes no attempt to check if a video can be embedded before displaying the text.

There's a link in the embed itself too - what is your complaint? They give credit to the creator - is your complaint that they shouldn't be allowed to summarize a video in text format? Like every blog or news that ever embeds a video does?

A small link buried in an embed widget which doesn’t even appear on every video is not sufficient credit.

A YouTube video has a description field, plus a title and the channel name. All of these should be shown at the top of the page, plus video creators should be required to opt-in to this service.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#117

Post by _akhe »

mattl wrote: post #114
_akhe wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have any proof for this claim? How do you know it doesn't fail to publish a page when there's no video available? ^ Just curious where you got the info. Beyond that: Being publicly available on YouTube would still mean it is allowed to be summarized by another person. This restriction you speak of has never existed in any copyright law.

I tried it with a video I have set to not allow embedding. Summary just like any other video but just the standard box when embedding is disabled. You should try it for yourself with one of your own YouTube videos from your own channel.

Can you link it? I'm just curious how it presents it. I agree it should share the source even if they can't create the embed.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#118

Post by mattl »

_akhe wrote: post #117
mattl wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it with a video I have set to not allow embedding. Summary just like any other video but just the standard box when embedding is disabled. You should try it for yourself with one of your own YouTube videos from your own channel.

Can you link it? I'm just curious how it presents it. I agree it should share the source even if they can't create the embed.

I don’t have the link anymore. I’m on another machine now so don’t have access to the browser history.

But there’s lots of no embed videos on YouTube. You can also just try it with one of your own videos.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#119

Post by _akhe »

shortformblog wrote: post #112
j45 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really interesting how some folks don't see this as an additional way to drive traffic to the video, when so many channels have a website of their videos. This type of tool could help create much more meaningful blog or website type content to build a mailing list around the community.

Who owns the mailing list? Who owns the blog? This random guy who built this tool, or the actual creator who made the content? The problem with this thought process is that the creator has been taken out of the equation without actually talking to them about it, and when that question gets raised, there just seems to be lots of pushback, likely in part because it touches on the primary complication of LLMs (that a wh…

The point of a YouTube embed is to share it on other websites, so this is a ridiculous argument. The YouTube creator of course gets the revenue from embed shares, but why do you think they should own every website it's shared on? That makes no sense nor would it ever happen.

The creator isn't taken out of the equation at all - their content is being promoted and they're getting ad revenue for views there (as agreed upon in the YouTube terms).

And for the YouTube creator who decided to give their video to YouTube, but doesn't want it shared on third-party sites, YouTube lets them disable embeds.

Putting a YouTube embed, summarizing a YouTube video - neither are "violating the creator's copyright" which they already gave to YouTube anyway.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#120

Post by shortformblog »

_akhe wrote: post #119
shortformblog wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who owns the mailing list? Who owns the blog? This random guy who built this tool, or the actual creator who made the content? The problem with this thought process is that the creator has been taken out of the equation without actually talking to them about it, and when that question gets raised, there just seems to be lots of pushback, likely in part because it touches on the primary complication of LLMs (that a wh…

The point of a YouTube embed is to share it on other websites, so this is a ridiculous argument. The YouTube creator of course gets the revenue from embed shares, but why do you think they should own every website it's shared on? That makes no sense nor would it ever happen. The creator isn't taken out of the equation at all - their content is being promoted and they're getting ad revenue for views there (as agreed u…

Stop bringing up YouTube embeds, it is literally 0% of my point. I literally do not care.

The problem is 100% the use of LLMs to pull the content in an unsanctioned manner. Considering that YouTube has sanctioned methods to share this information, in the form of transcripts, this directly competes with something that the creators are already making in a not-as-good form.

Additionally, it makes the video less desirable. The embed does not matter; creators allow them for a reason. It is the conversion from video to text in a way that the creators did not ask for and likely do not want.

Post reply on HN