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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by intended »

usernew wrote: post #107
appleaday1 wrote: post #28

Where is my ability to ban anyone that disagrees with my point of view or my agenda? I think this game needs to be modified to autoban anyone that appeals my mod decisions :)

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That’s essentially parts of 4chan. That is the natural level of communal equilibrium for that rule set.

Theres a big difference between you reading alone, and a group interacting with each other.

If there is no way to stop someone from spamming individuals, harassing targets, flooding with hate speech - people who dont like it, eject themselves. You are left with the spammers/harassers - and they either enjoy it, or they leave to target other moderated communities.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by intended »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #108
alexb_ wrote: post #54

This game was made by a political action group for startups. Here is their agenda: https://engineis.squarespace.com/s/Startup-Policy-Agenda-202...

Mike Masnick gets really upset when you point out the motives for his work. Keep doing it, thanks.

The game is accurate, played it and it matched my experience well.

Does this mean that we should disregard it? What do we do if the person we dont like is correct

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by intended »

This game is pretty accurate.

Theres a relatively well known video of multiple mods at a seminar asked to decide if pieces of content should stay up or be taken down.

At no point, was there consensus.

Content that most people would consider heinous, were allowed up by at least one mod, with a strong reason to do so.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by dnissley »

alexb_ wrote: post #54

This game was made by a political action group for startups. Here is their agenda: https://engineis.squarespace.com/s/Startup-Policy-Agenda-202...

Skimming the key takeaways their agenda seems mostly reasonable? Did I miss something?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by dnissley »

kadoban wrote: post #73
seany wrote: post #38

I don't get what the point of this is. Just approve everything and move on

This said on a site that basically only exists because the moderation is extremely well done, and is definitely not just "approve everything".

While I appreciate the work that dang does, it might be a bit much to insinuate that the site only exists because of it.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by kadoban »

dnissley wrote: post #115
kadoban wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This said on a site that basically only exists because the moderation is extremely well done, and is definitely not just "approve everything".

While I appreciate the work that dang does, it might be a bit much to insinuate that the site only exists because of it.

If there's any other special sauce, I haven't noticed it.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by klabb3 »

aprilnya wrote: post #98
klabb3 wrote: post #56

I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. The descriptions (a) are hard to pattern match quickly and (b) the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). In my experience the…

> I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. This would make the blue look-into-it-more button useless > the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). You’re supposed to us…

That button was just weird and added extra time, while speed was a goal. Also I don’t think that button always had raw user content, it was also sometimes just a description, just with more details like a hint. Iirc

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by mirashii »

ianferrel wrote: post #35
mirashii wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Content moderation is hard, but I'm not very impressed that the very first card shown got it (in my opinion) totally wrong The authors are very clear that there are no right or wrong answers. Interpreting it that way misses the entire point of the exercise.

I mean, when I approved leaving up the cocaine post, the game that they authored gave me a big red X and said I did it wrong that it clearly was illegal and should have been taken down. Where were they clear that there are no right or wrong answers?

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/05/11/moderator-mayhem-a-mobil...

> Also, there’s often no “correct” answer, so the game won’t tell you if you got something “right” or “wrong” because often there is no right or wrong.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by pavel_lishin »

ftxbro wrote: post #94
pavel_lishin wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she did, how do you suppose it would help?

The gpt could moderate the product reviews for her. It doesn't have to be completely automatic. It could automatically do the easy ones, and for the medium ones tell a strong guess but needs confirmation, and for the hard ones it tells a more complete context to consider and the user has to decide.

This is a silly idea for a multitude of reasons, which I started enumerating, and then quickly stopped.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by pavel_lishin »

wincy wrote: post #106
pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

A neat game, but my enjoyment of it is somewhat dulled since I watch my mom play this in real life on a daily basis - her job is moderating product reviews.

Oh so she’s the person who removes my one star review when I get a letter saying I’ll get a $25 Amazon gift card for giving the product a 5-star review? I just can’t trust Amazon reviews after that happened to me, I was so mad.

Amazon is not one of her clients, but I agree that what happened to you sucks, and is driving down Amazon's quality in general. It's yet another reason why I don't shop there anymore.
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