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Post by junon »

gyulai wrote: post #105
junon wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging the security of an application based on its use of typescript is like when people judge the intelligence of a person depending on if they have an English or an American accent.

While we're doing analogies: I don't think it's like judging someone's intelligence from their accent. It's more like betting (or not) on the Jamaican bobsleigh team for an olympic medal. -- Certain programming languages invite buggy code more than others. Certain countries are a better environment than others for winter sports.

I disagree entirely with this assertion.

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Post by qwerty456127 »

> Run your own node and achieve unparalleled privacy by connecting your wallet directly to your Bitcoin node. This ensures that your wallet company can’t spy on your transactions

Everybody can "spy" on your transactions by design, isn't it so? Isn't mixing the only way to go if you don't want everybody to see your entire shopping history?

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Post by southerntofu »

mayankchhabra wrote: post #74
eightysixfour wrote: post #55

In the middle of building a self-hosting setup at home so I went ahead and installed this to give it a trial run. I generally like the interface and think it is a nice take on making self-hosting easier, but I have some pure stream of conscious criticism: 1. There sure are a lot of crypto apps. I'm not vehemently anti-crypto, but it is missing some "obvious" applications and full of those, so I'm curious what the pla…

Thanks for the taking the time to try Umbrel out, great observations! 1. Re crypto apps, I figured some additional context may help. Before our today's release, Umbrel was a self-hosting OS primarily geared towards Bitcoin node users. Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS. So expect to see a lot more non-Bitc…

> Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS

Hello, do you have plans to interop with an established selfhosting distro and package scheme? Yunohost, Freedombox and Libreserver come to mind. If you'd rather go the containerized/virtualized way, there's a dozen or so distros based on Docker/LXC/K8S to make selfhosting easier.

I'm always happy that people are building stuff for selfhosting (though like others i'm skeptical of anything cryptocurrency-related), so please don't take it as a dismissal of your work, but i don't understand the appeal of building yet another solution and package format that's not interoperable with the others who have been out there for 5/10 years and provide good services to plenty of users already.

To be fair, apart from Dockerfiles there's not exactly any decent specification for declarative sysadmin (network ports, filesystem access..). The selfhosting field could certainly use a specification for selfhosted packages across distros, because the current situation places a strong burden on volunteer maintainers to keep up with updates.

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Post by leodriesch »

xnacly wrote: post #90
philistine wrote: post #89

This thing flagrantly copies macOS' user interface. I'd be wary of getting a letter.

I'd say its just a gnome theme or something. It's not that deep.

It’s not gnome or any desktop environment for that matter, it’s a custom made web application.

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Post by sydbarrett74 »

mayankchhabra wrote: post #74
eightysixfour wrote: post #55

In the middle of building a self-hosting setup at home so I went ahead and installed this to give it a trial run. I generally like the interface and think it is a nice take on making self-hosting easier, but I have some pure stream of conscious criticism: 1. There sure are a lot of crypto apps. I'm not vehemently anti-crypto, but it is missing some "obvious" applications and full of those, so I'm curious what the pla…

Thanks for the taking the time to try Umbrel out, great observations! 1. Re crypto apps, I figured some additional context may help. Before our today's release, Umbrel was a self-hosting OS primarily geared towards Bitcoin node users. Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS. So expect to see a lot more non-Bitc…

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

eightysixfour wrote: post #55

In the middle of building a self-hosting setup at home so I went ahead and installed this to give it a trial run. I generally like the interface and think it is a nice take on making self-hosting easier, but I have some pure stream of conscious criticism: 1. There sure are a lot of crypto apps. I'm not vehemently anti-crypto, but it is missing some "obvious" applications and full of those, so I'm curious what the pla…

> 4. Why no blog/cms?

Would it be possible to run Mastodon on this? With it being behind a domestic firewall, would that make it harder to other Mastodon instances to talk to it? Ditto for other ActivityPub software.

I'd like to see a world where anyone can easily set up and run their own social media from a Pi running on their home network.

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #110
woojoo666 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If self hosting were as easy and stable as signing up for a cloud service, I think people would switch

And data recovery services would have a field day :) Self hosting in 2022 is not exactly a walk in the park. Besides the obvious security risks of data loss/theft through exploits, you also have a challenge making anything as redundant as a cloud service. Most major cloud services offer multi geographical redundancy, meaning if one data center completely vanishes (like the OVH fire), your data is safe in another data…

> And data recovery services would have a field day :)

Maybe Umbrel could sell that as an extra -- you have an Umbrel box, it automatically sends an encrypted copy of your data to its servers.

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Post by layer8 »

ibz wrote: post #98
layer8 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To “follow design trends and present a modern-looking UX” is far from synonymous with “beautiful”, which in turn is very much in the eye of the beholder. The problem with “beautiful” is that it’s a manipulative fluff word which gives no information whatsoever about the product except that its marketing people seem to want the product to be perceived as beautiful. The other issue is its inflationary use. Every other p…

> except that its marketing people seem to want the product to be perceived as beautiful It means they care about beauty in the first place, which is already a huge plus.

To be honest, software nowadays is more lacking in other areas. Putting “beauty” as a foremost concern is more of a sign that they don’t see that lack, and therefore are less likely to address it. “Beauty” doesn’t make software more practical or its use more productive. The tools in my toolbox don’t have to be “beautiful”. They don’t become better tools by being more “beautiful”.

(I’m putting “beautiful” in quotes because it’s largely subjective what that means for UIs and software.)

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