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I feel that Jira first adds a lot of restraints and red tape, and then makes those highly configurable. I prefer tools that don't have the constraints in the first place. Ie if in the middle of the sprint a developer finds that some tickets are stuck waiting for some other team and he wants a column on the board to make that visible, he should just be able to add the column. In Jira if I accidentally put the wrong is…
Make a status for blocked, create a column for that status
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#112One thing that bugs me with development workflow tools is how they never really integrate with the true workflow of developers. Once you have a development workflow with Pull Requests, Code reviews, QA etc, it would be nice to be able to encode it into the What's the true progress of an issue (ticket, work item...)? Why do I need to remember to set a ticket to "resolved" after a PR completes, and so on. Every place h…
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#113Atlassian's antics with Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket have really started to make me mad.
Jira is changing it's editor... slowly. The old editor had nice shortcuts, like h1. - h6., {code}, {blockquote} etc. When you create a ticket - it's the old editor, but when you edit a ticket or write a comment, it's the new editor! This new editor has none of the markdown-ish shortcuts the old editor had.
Confluence is also changing it's editor and the old wiki pages do not have a 1:1 match to the new wiki pages. This means you have to go through each page, convert it, and edit it to fix the broken things - because depending on what you use, it will be broken. For example, there is no longer a note, warning, or error macro - instead it gets turned into a info macro that you have to go in and edit it to the style you previously had. Code blocks no longer let you pick the color scheme you had, instead they're all generic. There's even more here I'm not listing.
Confluence has also just been wonky lately. It's supposed to automatically format a link into something nice (e.g. https://confluence/page-name -> Page Name or https://jira/AAA-1234 -> AAA->1234) and this only happens sometimes. Other times I'm finding the page frozen or slow and the only thing that fixes it is refreshing the page or publishing the page and going back to edit it.
Of course with BitBucket I dislike that they're dropping Mercurial. I understand why, but I am really going to miss it. Git is way more powerful but Mercurial is (at least to me) way easier to use and pick up. The infuriating part is that they offer no tool for converting existing repositories whatsoever. Github has a tool that will turn your BitBucket Mercurial repo into a Github repo!
For any tool that aims to be an alternative to Jira / Confluence / BitBucket, please don't do what Atlassian does. If you are going to make any transitions or any major change - please make it as easy and seamless as possible for your users.
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#114> With your permission, we will collect location information from your mobile device to [insert purpose]. You may turn off this feature through the location settings on your mobile device.
Maybe fix that?
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#115One thing that bugs me with development workflow tools is how they never really integrate with the true workflow of developers. Once you have a development workflow with Pull Requests, Code reviews, QA etc, it would be nice to be able to encode it into the What's the true progress of an issue (ticket, work item...)? Why do I need to remember to set a ticket to "resolved" after a PR completes, and so on. Every place h…
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Depends on what your timeline is for changes, but you can also learn how to use it and do it yourself. My experience is that if an org decides to use then they will do it wrong the first time without external assistance. This holds true even for popular tools like Postgres, AWS, Terraform, or even Git. Anecdotally, I don't know of any tool that is highly configurable that makes it easy for users to set it up and then…
I feel that Jira first adds a lot of restraints and red tape, and then makes those highly configurable. I prefer tools that don't have the constraints in the first place. Ie if in the middle of the sprint a developer finds that some tickets are stuck waiting for some other team and he wants a column on the board to make that visible, he should just be able to add the column. In Jira if I accidentally put the wrong is…
The rules get in your way, but as an entire org, they provide value. A lot of what we do is work with large orgs to actually enforce those rules top down on devs. The difference between our approach and most others is that while we agree with the idea of governance and top down rules, we drive the creation of those rules as a bottom up process. This way the devs get to agree on how they want to work, and as long as there is a degree of consistency, we get to tell management that this is the way forward, and we can now report on things while ensuring we're not getting in the way of the devs.
1. https://support.atlassian.com/jira-software-cloud/docs/use-t...
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Disclaimer: I run an Atlassian consulting company. In most scenarios I run into, "Unfortunately I work at a large company which has 'standardized' on Jira" translates into "Someone set up Jira poorly and now we dislike using it". The thing is that if you replace Jira with any tool you can imagine, the statement will hold true. Jira isn't inherently a better or worse tool than most others out there. If you're at an or…
> Jira isn't inherently a better or worse tool than most others out there. I'm not sure I can fully agree with this based on my experience. When you talk about Jira being set up poorly, it makes me think about how workflows, permissions, project structures, etc are configured. This is definitely a pain point for me and I'm sure someone like yourself could bring a lot of improvements in this area. I fully buy that Jir…
Integration with other software is going to depend on a per integration basis. Some integrations are done by Atlassian themselves. Some are done by the other software provider. And some are done by third parties. Slack is a great example where the integration is owned by Atlassian, but there are also third party alternatives. The "quality" of these integrations varies, in large part depending on what your specific org needs. In the Slack example, the Atlassian integration has no support for creating issues in Jira from Slack. This is a use case that a small subset of customers want. Does that make the Atlassian integration bad? If you have specific integrations that you are frustrated with feel free to shoot me an email and I can dig into it. Especially if it is made by a third party provider, we're a really tight knit community and I can likely email their CEO and see if things can be improved for you. Or hell, it may even be one we make and something we need to fix :D
The UI is slowly improving, but yes it is not the most intuitive thing in the world. It is also a 16 year old piece of software, where if you look at the UI, the chrome has changed, but the structure has been fairly stable.
Performance is a topic near and dear to my heart. I have given a number of talks about this and for a long time our company branded itself as the "performance and scale" experts for Atlassian software. With good governance, and qualified admin skills, Jira and Confluence can be "fast enough" in terms of enterprise software. Will this be web scale speeds? No. Does achieving web scale speeds provide value for 95% of users? No. The thing to do here is to improve integrations to reduce the amount of application switching that users are doing. For example, if you're a dev, use Smart Commits[1] to interact with your Jira issues as part of the commit message. No going into Jira or BB in the first place.
The editor in Confluence has been a work in progress in Cloud, but they're hitting a lot of issues. Part of the issue here is that providing an editor that is both friendly to an HR person, and to a dev is a complicated challenged. When Atlassian deprecated Markdown from Confluence, I was working for them at the time and published the Markdown Macro for Confluence [2] as a ShipIt project (internal hackathon). This has helped thousands of orgs interact with Confluence via Markdown. At the same time, we're building a Drag and Drop editor for Notification Emails in Jira, and holy moly are there a lot of edge cases and problems that we hit. There are entire businesses that do nothing other than sell make and sell editors. I wouldn't underestimate the complexity involved in this.
[1]: https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucket/use-smart-commits... [2]: https://marketplace.atlassian.com/apps/1211438/markdown-macr...
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#119I wish I could be off of Jira and all of Atlassian. Sadly, that is not my decision to make. Atlassian's antics with Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket have really started to make me mad. Jira is changing it's editor... slowly. The old editor had nice shortcuts, like h1. - h6., {code}, {blockquote} etc. When you create a ticket - it's the old editor, but when you edit a ticket or write a comment, it's the new editor! Thi…