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Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by nostalgk »

lunchables wrote: post #93
bArray wrote: post #44

I recommend people checkout Dissenter [1] if they are interested in this, it has quite the user base already (almost a million users late 2018 [2]). Some of the discussions had on there have been really quite interesting. My motivation for using their comments add-on is mostly to avoid tracking, although it's quite annoying they rely on Cloudflare. On a different note, the Wikipedia article on Gab/Dissenter is quite…

I have this vague memory that Gab was associated with some alt-right/neo-nazi/something-or-other thing and I should stay far away. Their website refers to Blocking "Big Tech" (which smells like "Deep State" to me). Is this something I should be using/supporting? I'm not an overtly political person but I just don't want to be in bad company.

Just take a look at https://gab.com/popular and you can make your judgement in less than a minute.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by s9w »

Aromasin wrote: post #108
s9w wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know gab too well, but the chans and voat DO contain worthwhile discussions as well as news/facts that are removed from HN/reddit etc.

I've been to Voat a number of times out of curiosity, and not once have I seen anything resembling meaningful discussion. It was a bunch a comments promoting drivel about white supremacy, lizard-people, LGBT+ lynching, Anti-Semitism, and Fascism. In fact, I distinctly remember every single thread having at least one comment regarding white supremacy. The Chans are a different entity, as there's no voting function to…

Right now, these are the top posts on voat:

- A post about Vimeos removal of the Google/Veritas Video

- A Post that criticized that r/the_donald removed 83000 posts in the last month (implying that relative to voat, T_D is too heavily censored)

- A Post about Eric Schmidts visit to a Hillary Clinton Rally during the last election where he wore a Staff Badge

- A Post about the recent murder of a German politician that was most likely murdered because of his anti-German remarks in the past

- An anti-jewish gif in /funny

- An informative post about a high number of NYPT suicides

- A post about Mexican Migrants

- A post about Muslims faking to be American Cops

Followed by some making fun of reddit and AOC, pointing out double standards of Israel vs US walls, cop power abuse, complaining about a low sentence for a child rapist, A post about Merkels Health status etc etc.

I think adults can stomach that, and from time to time learn something new.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

#113

Post by sascha_sl »

skrowl wrote: post #80
phoe-krk wrote: post #5

This sounds similar to the (in)famous Dissenter comment functionality. What are the differences?

Dissenter is pretty great for commenting on things that have heavy-handed censorship, like political YouTube videos. They recently created their own browser (a fork of Brave with all of the BAT sh*tcoin stuff removed) when Google and Firefox both censored their extension and it seems like it's lighter and faster than Chrome, at least in my testing.

I requested the Gab Mastodon fork code a week or so ago. Normally worded email. Nothing antagonistic there. I know how to be professional. 4 days ago, CTO of Gab calling me an "SJW" on his Gab feed.

Thanks, I'll consider it a certification. From the grand wizard of Gab Tech himself. /s

There's plenty of other insanely toxic content on Gab. But if you're signed up to it and don't see the issue... there's really no point discussing that with you.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

marcinzm wrote: post #106
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, we already know that's not entirely true. There was a recent decision that POTUS twitter feed is a public space ( https://theconversation.com/federal-judge-rules-trumps-twitt... ) . We can easily see this extended to any US elected official. And there is also historical context in an 1980 decision in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins where, based on Californian law, private property of the shoping mall was dee…

The distinction, in this case, is that's it's NOT about using an existing forum for something. Web pages do not come with comment sections by default. So the discussion (ie: not having comments being a restriction of free speech) is about requiring you to build a forum specifically for speech to take place. It's like requiring a shopping mall to build a stage for people to have political speeches on. I feel few peopl…

Sigh.

> The distinction, in this case, is that's it's NOT about using an existing forum for something. Web pages do not come with comment sections by default.

But social media does. And so does a lot of websites that use either wordpress plugins, Discus, or other sites.

And nothing I cited requires a comments section to be made... But when it is, there's precedent for forcing whomever's running it to make way for political speech when politicians are stumping and talking there.

> It's like requiring a shopping mall to build a stage for people to have political speeches on. I feel few people would say free speech is infringed upon if every mall doesn't build such a stage.

The very act of having a floor in the private mall was enough. You don't need a stage. And even gathering signatures for a political reason is reason enough. Seriously, go look up the Pruneyard rule. You can try to derail it with 'whatifs', but that is precedent.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by kkarakk »

sascha_sl wrote: post #113
skrowl wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dissenter is pretty great for commenting on things that have heavy-handed censorship, like political YouTube videos. They recently created their own browser (a fork of Brave with all of the BAT sh*tcoin stuff removed) when Google and Firefox both censored their extension and it seems like it's lighter and faster than Chrome, at least in my testing.

I requested the Gab Mastodon fork code a week or so ago. Normally worded email. Nothing antagonistic there. I know how to be professional. 4 days ago, CTO of Gab calling me an "SJW" on his Gab feed. Thanks, I'll consider it a certification. From the grand wizard of Gab Tech himself. /s There's plenty of other insanely toxic content on Gab. But if you're signed up to it and don't see the issue... there's really no poi…

no proof=your comment might as well not exist

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

nostalgk wrote: post #111
lunchables wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this vague memory that Gab was associated with some alt-right/neo-nazi/something-or-other thing and I should stay far away. Their website refers to Blocking "Big Tech" (which smells like "Deep State" to me). Is this something I should be using/supporting? I'm not an overtly political person but I just don't want to be in bad company.

Just take a look at https://gab.com/popular and you can make your judgement in less than a minute.

That was... ugly. And I've seen it before. It seems worse now.

I stopped reading when I got to "our race replaced by violent low-iq brown". (in case anyone wanted to dispute the existence: https://gab.com/HankRearden/posts/MHdqTE1hWDFDTTVTR3Biak1vel...)

That's enough bull for today. Fair warning to anyone else who decides to indulge curiosity.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

#118

Post by Aromasin »

s9w wrote: post #112
Aromasin wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to Voat a number of times out of curiosity, and not once have I seen anything resembling meaningful discussion. It was a bunch a comments promoting drivel about white supremacy, lizard-people, LGBT+ lynching, Anti-Semitism, and Fascism. In fact, I distinctly remember every single thread having at least one comment regarding white supremacy. The Chans are a different entity, as there's no voting function to…

Right now, these are the top posts on voat: - A post about Vimeos removal of the Google/Veritas Video - A Post that criticized that r/the_donald removed 83000 posts in the last month (implying that relative to voat, T_D is too heavily censored) - A Post about Eric Schmidts visit to a Hillary Clinton Rally during the last election where he wore a Staff Badge - A Post about the recent murder of a German politician that…

My issue was never with the content on the front page. I don't use it enough to judge how much of its feed is quality or otherwise, so I'm not qualified enough to have an opinion on that.

However, having looked through the comments again just now it still is clearly a place for people with ideologies that shouldn't exist in a modern society to circle-jerk each other - and almost everyone replying with a contrary opinion is down-voted to hell but not debated in the slightest. Just personally insulted. I see more genuine debate on the Reddit's default sub-reddits for Christ's sake.

I'm literally reading through a comment chain now of people agreeing with each other that Jewish people should be banned from working in the US government, and shipped to Israel regardless of their nationality. There's another that is calling for a crusade against all Middle Eastern countries. It's baffling. Hell, in the UK and many places in Europe they'd be fined or arrested for hate speech. If this were public discourse, and not just inside this bubble, the people saying these things would have their ideas ripped apart - because people realise that a modern society can not function with mentally deluded people calling for the culling of a demographic just for existing.

It's not about stomaching contrary opinions or learning something new. There are plenty of quality places to do that, and places for civil debate both on and off the internet. Voat is not one of those places.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by weaksauce »

syx wrote: post #74
tetizera wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to have this extension! Let us know if you ever pick up that extension. I do have one question though. Links on e-mails usually have "?utm_campaign=id_campaign&utm_source=nytimes" for example. Is it possible to avoid duplicates? To this day this is one of the major headaches for mods on Reddit. There's also the mobile links for the same news article.

This was more of a kludge than a serious project, but glad I was not the only one to find this useful, will definitley continue working on it. >Is it possible to avoid duplicates? I thought about this as well in the past but never actually found a solution. Maybe someone here knows if there's research or an algorithm to uniquely identify the URL. Edit: typos

Stripping out the query string probably works for 80%(maybe even more) of the sites. Maybe that by default and then an option to search for the whole url as a fallback?

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by sascha_sl »

kkarakk wrote: post #116
sascha_sl wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I requested the Gab Mastodon fork code a week or so ago. Normally worded email. Nothing antagonistic there. I know how to be professional. 4 days ago, CTO of Gab calling me an "SJW" on his Gab feed. Thanks, I'll consider it a certification. From the grand wizard of Gab Tech himself. /s There's plenty of other insanely toxic content on Gab. But if you're signed up to it and don't see the issue... there's really no poi…

no proof=your comment might as well not exist

https://witches.live/@anna/102343755810317766

(hn mods, if this is too political, it's okay to delete)

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