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Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#101
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Why does this need to connect to your servers? What happens if you become insolvent? Why can't I just buy the damn thing then use it? Why do I have to pay for a subscription to a service which is effectively a simple proxy between the device and my infrastructure?

That is my biggest thought. If this is oriented to hackers, let me own the thing so I can do some really cool stuff with it.

I hate this user hostile trend among hardware startups, that is requiring/involving third party "cloud" infrastructure for no particular reason other than to extort money out of customers.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#102
post #93

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Hardware/install is free, but costs you $25/month/location to receive your data. (Not that this means they are not also selling data elsewhere).

Yup, as soon as I read 'free hardware, free to install' I immediately though 'Service model' Also I don't think this data is particularly attractive to anyone except competitors... and even then its not like its an email list or anything, merely traffic.

I would say it's extremely useful -- most establishments have a general idea of foot traffic (ie: POS transactions or qualitative visual assessment) whereas with density.io you have a detailed history of when and where there's foot traffic.

Why would someone want to know this information? Ideas abound! I don't think we've had such easy measurement and monitoring at the fingertips of the general populace.

Having detailed logs of user growth is invaluable (the much-vaunted hockey stick), however this level of granularity is unavailable in the physical world.

Now we can show interested parties that, for example, our storefronts are hockey-sticking, growth is high and projected to grow higher, etc. You get the idea.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#103
I spoke with Andrew over at density.io.

His answers regarding can it see the traffic direction (answer - yes for each individual) and how it is powered (custom length power cable, cut at install time for both sensor and base) are inline in this thread.

Also Andrew explained the base gathers info from all the sensors for counts.

I asked also about people in a group - most doorways are a physical narrowing that automatically places people in single file. If the doorway is wider than that, they can place a sensor on either side (my assumption is that these results are then filtered so a person is not counted 2x).

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#104

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Would you be willing to report this to the Maps team? If not, just reply and I'll get in touch with someone about it.

Can't seem to find where to file this bug since it's not a physical mapping error. Coincidentally the Maps team is in the Boulder office, are they not? I guess I could just walk down and say hi :) Feel free to connect me with the right people, my email is in my profile

Try this:

https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/6194894?hl=en

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Your directions were wrong

At this time, you can’t report wrong turns from your phone or tablet, but you can report them on your computer.

Open Google Maps on your computer. Click Directions directions button image. Enter the starting point and destination for the route for which your directions were wrong. In the bottom right of the map, click Report a problem.

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I'm working on getting a human contact involved.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#105
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post #81

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I was also wondering about its ability to determine the direction of traffic. If it relies on a location having a separate entrance and exit, that's a pretty big negative. I'm also wondering how it handles large groups. Does anyone have any idea how the hardware works?

There's not much actual information available (this should be concerning), but there have been some clues dropped into past HN threads. This is a picture posted in another HN thread of their "original sensor" which is just 2 basic IR sensors: https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.angel.co/73/340163/7982... As far as I can tell from the updated website, the new sensor is the same thing, just dressed up nicer. Each sens…

Hi, that's indeed our old sensor which is composed of two AIR sensors. The new sensor carries a slight upgrade in hardware, but the real power comes from our signal processing. See my reply to thwest here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9879671

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#106
post #60

Please don't be too clever for your own good - let me Cmd-Click on the links to open in a new tab. I don't want to be taken away from your page, I want to continue reading more about YOUR product before I go to view your "partner" sites. Same goes for your API, Twitter, etc.

This is obnoxious website behavior, and I equate it to sites ignorantly disabling right-clicking because they're paranoid someone will steal their photos. If your site contains any links at all, you should never, ever be breaking such basic browser functionality. The only possible legitimate use case would be a webapp which is attempting to create a desktop-style environment, and even then, co-opting the CTRL or ALT keys is likely not the best course of action.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#107
post #76

The site is rather vague. They provide the hardware and install it for free, which implies they're selling data to someone else. Who? There's no privacy policy. No terms of service. The "order" button just brings up a blank email. How does the device tell how many people are present based on counting at a doorframe? Is it counting people passing through the door? Does it detect direction? Is it good enough to estimat…

> The site is rather vague. They provide the hardware and install it for free, which implies they're selling data to someone else. Who? There's no privacy policy. No terms of service. The "order" button just brings up a blank email.

Might I add that if there's no privacy polity, the FTC won't go after you for violating it. And the company is new, so this stuff is "tomorrow" kind of stuff. They have the limelight for right now; might as well use it.

> How does the device tell how many people are present based on counting at a doorframe? Is it counting people passing through the door? Does it detect direction? Is it good enough to estimate the number of people inside by subtracting out counts from in counts?

Doesn't seem so. Looks like they're going for the niche between mom-and-pop to something smaller than Staples.

> Will this work for wide entrances, such as malls? Is this a passive infrared sensor? Those go blind in hot weather.

PIR doesn't die due to hot weather. They go blind in heavy humidity. They start throwing errors and bounces around 40% and up. Here in Indiana, they would be nigh useless right now, unless inside AC.

> This looks like a cheaper alternative to video counting systems, of which there are many. Video systems get about 98% count accuracy.

I'm working on that. I've gotten better than 98% already. My time is "make it better and sell it".

> If you already have surveillance cameras, you can often use them for counting.

That's my point. Most/all businesses already have it. So the whole creep and privacy factor is a moot point. Might as well leverage the tech you already have installed.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#109
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is my biggest thought. If this is oriented to hackers, let me own the thing so I can do some really cool stuff with it.

I hate this user hostile trend among hardware startups, that is requiring/involving third party "cloud" infrastructure for no particular reason other than to extort money out of customers.

for no particular reason other than to extort money out of customers

Yeah, isn't it terrible that there are companies trying to get money out of customers... :P

My comment is tongue-in-cheek but the macro point here is why should a company that invents something or provide a value need to do so in a way that minimizes their profit margin?

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

#110
post #77

Why does this need to connect to your servers? What happens if you become insolvent? Why can't I just buy the damn thing then use it? Why do I have to pay for a subscription to a service which is effectively a simple proxy between the device and my infrastructure?

"Density has raised an undisclosed amount of seed funding from Ludlow Ventures, Jason Calacanis and Bill Draper. "

http://fortune.com/2015/05/22/meet-density-a-startup-that-le...

The cynic in me sees this as as a requirement to justify their (current or future) venture funding. So that they can justify a high valuation in their eventual acquisition and shutdown in the next 12-36 months.

It's not enough to 'just' build a good product and sell it to customers anymore.

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