This should be a service.
That's what Hired is trying to be, isn't it?
Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
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Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#102Recent exchange I had with a recruiter over email: Recruiter: I found your email on LinkedIn and I have a few Java positions you might be interested in. Would you be interested in Me: I don't have a LinkedIn account. How did you actually find my info? Recruiter: It was in a database we share with a few other recruitment agencies. Me: Could you remove me from the database? Recruiter: Okay, you have been removed from t…
They likely moved on, but then again dealerships are always looking for sales people. He has the lying requirement down.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
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"Opportunity"! Opportunity to work for less while the recruiter sits there earning a fat fee for merely passing on my resume? No thanks. I love how everyone thinks their job is some amazing opportunity but won't back it up with something useful you can put towards maybe buying a place to live, like money.
Recruiters don't merely pass on resumes. They work hard to find viable candidates and to tolerate their crappy attitudes when they are trying to help place people in good jobs.
I don't know about the overall market for recruiters, but it doesn't look that way to most developers, since the crappy recruiters tend to spam everyone who sounds vaguely qualified for the position based on a keyword search on Linkedin, Google, Github, etc. Any good recruiters who are actually working hard to find viable candidates for a position tend to get lost in the noise.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You should be more interested in the opportunity not the exact pay. This looks like a money grab. Having a good career is more important than a dollar figure. If you're already in a position that you enjoy, the dollar figure is certainly one of, if not the most important items on a cold call job offer. Asking them to open the discussion with a rough number is more than fair, in my book.
I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.
Since someone who's gainfully employed and considers pay a prevailing factor wouldn't really be compatible with you it sounds like including that would effectively keep someone like them and someone like you from wasting each other's time.
In your position I'd be appreciative of that sort of honesty instead of encouraging folks to hide it since you have very different priorities.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
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I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.
No wonder there is a tech shortage. "I want people that don't care about money so I can treat them like slaves" YAY Go Tech! /s
We don't need more tech people. We need more tech people who give a shit about their jobs besides getting paid.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.
The quality of your hires will reflect this.
Note I did not say that I would not pay my developers what they are worth. I am saying I would not put it out there initially in emails. If I stated I pay well publicly it would just attract money grubbing morons.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
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I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.
And I would never work for someone with your perspective, cause you're just looking for a sucker to lowball and overwork. And pay level is a huge contributor to stress levels.
I've seen people happily work at much lower pay then they deserve. I've also seen people work at higher pay then they are worth and still be miserable. Pay isn't all that.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recruiters don't merely pass on resumes. They work hard to find viable candidates and to tolerate their crappy attitudes when they are trying to help place people in good jobs.
I don't know about the overall market for recruiters, but it doesn't look that way to most developers, since the crappy recruiters tend to spam everyone who sounds vaguely qualified for the position based on a keyword search on Linkedin, Google, Github, etc. Any good recruiters who are actually working hard to find viable candidates for a position tend to get lost in the noise.
I have interacted to a meaningful extent with at least 10 different major recruiting firms, and I can tell you that it varies greatly. There are lots of ones that suck, but some of them are actually quite good and respond well and work for you if you actually talk to them and explain what you are looking for.
Hating on all recruiters since a large percentage of them suck isn't fair.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#109Regarding your choice of fields: 1. Name - This is already in emails I get from recruiters 2. Email - Useful since LinkedIn emails typically don't include their actual email 3. Phone Number - Ditto to #1; they typically include it 4. How did you find me - Considering you stated this is in reply to LinkedIn recruiters; LinkedIn?? ... 5. Name of the company - Most recruiters will not share this information until you ha…
"Yearly salary before taxes - This is a required field. If I were a recruiter I would ignore you at this point. " And nothing of value would have been lost. Any recruiter that isn't willing to disclose this is looking to lowball you.
Recruiters typically make a percentage based on what you end up getting paid. It is in their best interest for you to be paid more not less. The only reason they would pay less is to try to get people into a position to which they don't otherwise fit well.
Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters
#110Regarding your choice of fields: 1. Name - This is already in emails I get from recruiters 2. Email - Useful since LinkedIn emails typically don't include their actual email 3. Phone Number - Ditto to #1; they typically include it 4. How did you find me - Considering you stated this is in reply to LinkedIn recruiters; LinkedIn?? ... 5. Name of the company - Most recruiters will not share this information until you ha…
I wouldn't even waste the harddrive space for a database entry unless I knew the exact location where I would be working and the name of the company that I would be working at. Most companies are bullshit and I have a very low tolerance for that or commuting (since length of commute is inversely correlated with happiness). No, I am not going to go outside and apply directly - I wouldn't get a higher salary that way.
"I have a low tolerance for bullshit" You should totally add that to your resume. I am sure it will get you far in life.