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Can visual alarms wake a person up?

Appropriately placed, almost certainly. A 75 Candela strobe in a bedroom is pretty much impossible to sleep through.

Even if you sleep with a mask (which is pretty common), or sleep with your head under the covers (which is even more common)?

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Appropriately placed, almost certainly. A 75 Candela strobe in a bedroom is pretty much impossible to sleep through.

Even if you sleep with a mask (which is pretty common), or sleep with your head under the covers (which is even more common)?

Are they all intermittent?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLHJ7WnXbDc

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It's a good start, but it may serve best to remind us of the limitations of basic technology. Instead of an X detector, what we have is an X detector detector. From a design perspective this is obviously odd. On the other hand, in a sense it's a multi-detector, since in theory it should respond to detectors of many sorts. There are some upsides to that.

> From a design perspective this is obviously odd.

I disagree. It's unifying, and that's a good thing.

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You're welcome, and thank you for the comment. I noticed this as well; I'm definitely searching a way to make the vibration more noticeable. Someone else suggested abandoning the mobile phone platform altogether to make a more robust product in general. If not me, maybe Nest will do something like this with their smoke detectors. They're already connected to wifi, so it would just take a wifi-enabled vibrator do the…

What about a specialized device that operates off of low energy bluetooth for communicating to the iphone? Something like this could be built with Arduino or Raspberry Pi. John Muir, the American environmentalist of the 1800-1900's, built an "alarm clock" in 1862 that would dump the occupant off the bed at the defined time.

I really wish that the Fitbit Flex was more hackable -- if I could get a low-power bluetooth fob that could vibrate and display a few lights embedded in my watchband, that would really be all the smartwatch I need.

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Great idea for an app! I sleep with earplugs occasionally and I can see myself using your app in that situation. That said, I've been wondering lately if using earplugs often is a healthy thing to do in the long run. I couldn't find any pertinent research about non-professional users. Edit: phrasing.

I wonder the same thing. I find that I dream more when I can hear rain on the roof, so maybe ambient sounds (or a lack thereof) have a real effect on sleep

Humans aren't good judges of how often they dream. You have REM sleep several times a night and generally if you're woken up during REM sleep you will say that you were dreaming.

It is probably more likely that you are simply remembering dreams more when you can hear rain on the roof - either by power of suggestion, or because the stimulus of the rain noise is noticeable and memorable in your dreams, or because the rain itself is waking you up.

This isn't to say that you're wrong - there most certainly is an effect - but whether that effect is positive or negative is unclear.

Re: Show HN: Deaf? My iPhone app wakes you up if it hears an alarm

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In the US, visual alarms are pretty much standard under all the life safety codes for commercial buildings including apartments.[1] When they are not provided, both ADA and the Fair Housing Act [1] both dictate that owners provide them to accommodate the disability. If there's a problem, the fire marshal is a good person to call. They've typically pulled enough bodies from tragedies to last a lifetime, and this shape…

I live in Seattle and I've not had a visual alarm in either apartment I've lived in, nor do I recall seeing one in any I've visited, generally pre-90s construction. Not saying you're wrong, but the visual thing is far from universal and relying on owners accommodating disabilities can be a problem - my grandma can tell you about that. Ideally what you say would be all we'd need, but in the meantime I will certainly keep this app in mind!

Edit: I didn't meant to imply that I, myself, am deaf, only that the places I've lived didn't have visual alarms.

Re: Show HN: Deaf? My iPhone app wakes you up if it hears an alarm

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post #101

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Appropriately placed, almost certainly. A 75 Candela strobe in a bedroom is pretty much impossible to sleep through.

Even if you sleep with a mask (which is pretty common), or sleep with your head under the covers (which is even more common)?

Not sleeping with one's iPhone is far more common, despite the belovedness of Apple products.

In design terms an alarm strobe has removed everything unnecessary for its purpose and its sole purpose is to save your life on the rare occurrence of fire. It won't be on a charger or in your pants or sitting on the table by the TV or off with your spouse on a business trip.

It will be hanging on the wall, with power or backup power, hardwired to the alarm panel because that's what field experience has shown works.

Don't get me wrong, the sentiment behind the product is admirable. But the alarm industry is already deadly serious and has robust proven solutions based not on theory but on close attention to the causes and consequences of actual fires.

US Fire Administrationhttp://www.usfa.fema.gov/statistics/index.shtm

NFPA: http://www.nfpa.org/

Firehouse.com: http://www.firehouse.com/

Re: Show HN: Deaf? My iPhone app wakes you up if it hears an alarm

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Yeah, I think Nest is actually doing something similar with their smoke detector, which is great.

Ah, I didn't know that. A specific use case I was thinking of is some local hotels that my company does IT for. Hotels have lots of third party systems embedded locally and service providers doing stuff for them. If the fire alarm sounds, I'm sure they would love to know about it so they can react faster, either for assisting with the immediate crisis or facilitating the recovery. As far as I can tell, the fire detec…

One example of an existing use of this sort of thing, is that fire alarm systems commonly notify the building's lift controller, which sends the lift to the ground floor and opens the doors.

Re: Show HN: Deaf? My iPhone app wakes you up if it hears an alarm

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As someone who's deaf (not Deaf) thank you for making it. Sadly, the vibration the iPhone makes isn't strong enough for me but this is an awesome idea and I hope you succeed with it!

You're welcome, and thank you for the comment. I noticed this as well; I'm definitely searching a way to make the vibration more noticeable. Someone else suggested abandoning the mobile phone platform altogether to make a more robust product in general. If not me, maybe Nest will do something like this with their smoke detectors. They're already connected to wifi, so it would just take a wifi-enabled vibrator do the…

Maybe an iPhone case developed to magnify the vibration sensation?

That would be useful to the use of the phone in general, not just to wake up. Actually, it would be useful for me - and I am not deaf. I keep my phone on vibrate all the time and when on the streets I can only feel the vibration about 20% of the times someone calls me. And I usually i HEAR the vibration, not actually feel it.

Becoming a hardware company is a little to far from you? :)

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This post fell in rank because it triggered the flamewar detector. I've just restored it. If you see things suddenly reappear on the front page, it's often because a moderator saw a case like this.

Ah, thank you for restoring it!

You're welcome. Unfortunately, our algorithm sometimes mis-asseses an enthusiastic discussion as an angry one. The solution is for a human to review the list. I wrote software just for that, but we can't watch it at all times. And the flamewar detector has proven so valuable to HN that turning it off would do more harm than good, so we won't.
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