Wow.
Given that I was around (though young) for that and still mostly forgot about it, I imagine "Star Wars," as a reference to the US/USSR missile thing is probably mostly COMPLETELY unknown to the youngsters?
Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter. Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns. The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on th…
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This is the same logic that led to people throughout the 2000’s laying the blame for 9/11 at the feet of all Muslims to such a degree that a then-candidate Trump was elected saying he wanted to institute a “Muslim Ban” 15 years later. You still have people repeating his lie that Muslims in the US were “cheering on the rooftops.” The FBI attempted to bait “terrorists” at US mosques into extreme action and were themselves turned in.
I don’t blame all the Jewish people for the actions of Netanyahu and his government despite the large swaths of support his government enjoys in Israel. It would be unacceptable to express that kind of view - and rightfully so. But that shouldn’t go in one direction and we all have to be capable of not only holding a nuanced opinion but extending a more charitable interpretation to the people we disagree who also likely have equally nuanced views.
Talk to people. Hear them out. We can not assume the caricatures we’ve built in our heads are accurate. I have to remind myself of this constantly when I think about people I disagree with politically and I fail constantly but we man do we have to keep trying or we’re in serious trouble as a society.
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#103Police Open Fire as 50,000 Protest Outside Pretoria L.A. Times Archives Nov. 21, 1985 12 AM PT https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-11-21-mn-2106-s... Makes me recall a similar story happening in our times in the world. The headline does not mention "Black". [Security force] indiscriminately is killing. World says nothing.
It’s in Pretoria, South Africa, so the context would’ve been immediately obvious to anyone reading at the time.
Considering how asleep the civil rights movement was in America over South Africa Apartheid, I don't think most people understood the context.
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#104I guess it makes sense to skip the hurricane
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…
Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter. Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns. The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on th…
The thing with Gaza is that HAMAS there had 20 years of unlimited power, wholly funded by the UN/US/Qatar aid. Gaza literally has no other significant income streams.
HAMAS spent this time to build a network of tunnels below the streets, and to stockpile ammo/explosives. They could care less about the people, using them only as human shields. They also actively brainwashed the population: https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/b1fjucpdgg
So what would be a "proportional" answer from Israel? They don't have any good options.
> The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on the whole country that those people came from.
To give you the sense of scale, HAMAS murdered 1195 people, and they also took 250 people as hostages (somehow pro-Palestinian protesters almost never knew about this!). And 1500 people is a HUGE number for a tiny country like Israel (Jewish population of 7200000). Scaled to the size of the US, this would be aroud 70000 people, many times the size of 9/11.
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#106> For example, on Oct 7, 1985, Palestinian hijackers took over the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Reading this on a delay in 2025, the story unfolded over weeks: first they threw an American in a wheelchair overboard, then US fighter jets forced the escape plane to land, leading to a military standoff between US Navy SEALs and the Italian Air Force. Unbelievably, the US backed down, but the later diplomatic fallout led t…
Maybe this is just my bubble, but the messaging I get is that Israel should stop murdering Palestinian civilians and not that Hamas is somehow righteous in their actions.
Maybe Hamas should also stop killing them too
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#107> For example, on Oct 7, 1985, Palestinian hijackers took over the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Reading this on a delay in 2025, the story unfolded over weeks: first they threw an American in a wheelchair overboard, then US fighter jets forced the escape plane to land, leading to a military standoff between US Navy SEALs and the Italian Air Force. Unbelievably, the US backed down, but the later diplomatic fallout led t…
> I wonder how many of those people would be happy to throw an American in a wheelchair off a ship in the name of the Palestinian cause.
Not sure I follow. Are you upset at the Pro-Palestinians? Today? Do you think that throwing a person in a wheelchair off a boat makes it ok to be silent about Israel's genocide? or makes Pro-Palestinians bad?
Your opinions of what is happening now should be a bit more comprehensive and in-depth than the opinions and perceptions of the public from 40 years ago. Social media as it is known today was non-existant. And news in mainstream media was well controlled and manipulated, and less independent, yet had the facade of professionalism and integrity. So there was a lot of news about Palestinians that just were not reported, and if they were reported, were in subdued form.
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#108Wow. Given that I was around (though young) for that and still mostly forgot about it, I imagine "Star Wars," as a reference to the US/USSR missile thing is probably mostly COMPLETELY unknown to the youngsters?
TIL. Who was who?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a similar vein, I think even news from 40 years ago can teach us a lot. The players may be different, but the game is the same. Many of today’s wars and conflicts were already ongoing; big pharma, big food, oil companies, corruption in our institutions, manufactured coups… it all feels like nothing ever really changes.
But the things that do change can be evaluated with the benefit of hindsight, for example the policies promoted by Robert "monopolies are good actually" Bork and Reaganomics more generally. The Wedge didn't open by itself and we are now in a position to judge whether what trickled down was piss or gold.
Tinkle-down economics :)
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#110Semirelatedly: if you're in a major US metro, your library card (which, where I live, you get online and in real time) gets you the archives of a bunch of major newspapers, plus your local newspapers. The suburban Oak Park, IL take on Nazism pre-WW2 was wild to read (online, after a very brief search). If you haven't, I recommend taking the 10 minutes to figure out what you can search through your library system.