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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by paulgb »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #88

I feel it's Orwellian, or Stalin-esq to have us being paid off to snitch on each other. Certainly, if you have evidence of murder or something, please do report it. But for an idling vehicle? Note that these laws are only targeting idling while parked, rather than during normal use, such as at a traffic light. This is called "true-idling" or "long-duration" idling. Has anybody considered how much CO2 or other greenho…

I think the intent is less about the CO2 emissions as about the air quality that people have to breathe (hence a stricter standard in some locations).

I don’t know about measurable effects but I hate when I pass a long-idling truck and can taste it in the air.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#102

Post by dang »

theyknowitsxmas wrote: post #96
gametorch wrote: post #82

Genuinely curious, why aren't people allowed to say this is dystopian without getting flagged? What rule, specifically, does that violate? I think this is dystopian. Paying people to rat out their fellow citizens. Nightmarish. What if this idea was applied to the laws ICE is trying to enforce? Would you think that's dystopian?

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This isn't trolls - it's people getting triggered by a provocative topic. For plenty of obvious reasons, different people have different reactions to this kind of thing.

Btw, "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."

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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#103

Post by AnimalMuppet »

gametorch wrote: post #82

Genuinely curious, why aren't people allowed to say this is dystopian without getting flagged? What rule, specifically, does that violate? I think this is dystopian. Paying people to rat out their fellow citizens. Nightmarish. What if this idea was applied to the laws ICE is trying to enforce? Would you think that's dystopian?

Maybe a bunch of people just don't agree with your position. (If they're idling and I report them, I'm a snitch. If I don't, I get to breathe the pollution. Why is snitching worse than poisoning people in your city? Why should the snitch be the bad guy in that situation, rather than the polluter?)

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#104

Post by dang »

gametorch wrote: post #82

Genuinely curious, why aren't people allowed to say this is dystopian without getting flagged? What rule, specifically, does that violate? I think this is dystopian. Paying people to rat out their fellow citizens. Nightmarish. What if this idea was applied to the laws ICE is trying to enforce? Would you think that's dystopian?

People are certainly allowed to say that. Your comment, for example, hasn't been flagged.

However, a lot of the comments tending in that direction have been (1) generic and (2) flamebait and/or fulminatey, which are bad for HN threads and against the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you went on to post many of that type of comment yourself in this thread. Please don't do that again.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#105

Post by whstl »

whycome wrote: post #35
olivermuty wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids asthma wants your commercial car in a service bay, not idling outside a restaurant. I am all for not making a technocratic dystopia but this reasoning seems wrong lol

That’s the problem. Major polluters have convinced people it’s the small scale production to attack rather than the giant industrial polluters. We also allow incredibly inefficient engines that produce lots of pollution. How about a pollution credit trading program then? If my efficient car produces way less pollution than your gas-guzzling truck, I should get the room to idle until I reach our agreed max. A technolo…

> Major polluters have convinced people it’s the small scale production to attack rather than the giant industrial polluters

It's both. A car idling outside your window is still gonna be an issue even if the planet somehow solve the big stuff.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#106

Post by toast0 »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #88

I feel it's Orwellian, or Stalin-esq to have us being paid off to snitch on each other. Certainly, if you have evidence of murder or something, please do report it. But for an idling vehicle? Note that these laws are only targeting idling while parked, rather than during normal use, such as at a traffic light. This is called "true-idling" or "long-duration" idling. Has anybody considered how much CO2 or other greenho…

> I feel it's Orwellian, or Stalin-esq to have us being paid off to snitch on each other.

Sure, but it's a different kind of dystopia to have commercial vehicles idling and fouling the air outside of normal driving. As described where you have to capture 3 minutes of idling (1 minute near schools) and assuming most people take a while to notice, rather than starting the timer immediately when the vehicle stops, it seems like a reasonable way to enhance compliance.

Idling while parked may not be a large contribution to total emissions, but it's harder to justify than idling in normal operation, and easier to enforce against, so there you go. Sometimes refrigerated transport more or less needs to idle to keep the contents at temperature, not sure if there's exceptions for that or if they just need to retrofit with more insulation or batteries to run the compressor or etc in order to comply.

Idling at lights probably gets reduced by auto start/stop in new vehicles as well as congestion charges reducing traffic and probably dwell time at lights. Auto start/stop isn't a universally loved thing; it makes some cars really frustrating to use, but when done well, it seems like a reasonable tradeoff to reduce unneccesary emissions.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#107

Post by gametorch »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #103
gametorch wrote: post #82

Genuinely curious, why aren't people allowed to say this is dystopian without getting flagged? What rule, specifically, does that violate? I think this is dystopian. Paying people to rat out their fellow citizens. Nightmarish. What if this idea was applied to the laws ICE is trying to enforce? Would you think that's dystopian?

Maybe a bunch of people just don't agree with your position. (If they're idling and I report them, I'm a snitch. If I don't, I get to breathe the pollution. Why is snitching worse than poisoning people in your city? Why should the snitch be the bad guy in that situation, rather than the polluter?)

False dichotomy. Both the snitch and the polluter are bad guys.

If you want an example of widespread application of this idea in a society, look at China. I rest my case.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#109

Post by theyknowitsxmas »

dang wrote: post #102
theyknowitsxmas wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This isn't trolls - it's people getting triggered by a provocative topic. For plenty of obvious reasons, different people have different reactions to this kind of thing. Btw, " Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. " ht…

Anything goes. All you need is $10, a few proxies and AI promps for viral marketing. Don't forget to flag posts you don't like with your sock puppet accounts.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

#110

Post by gametorch »

jen20 wrote: post #78
dale_huevo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win Win-win for who exactly? Maybe we need to decentralize and AI-accelerate construction permit reporting too. Your backyard fence looks DIY and not up to code and your porch light looks like a fire hazard.

> Win-win for who exactly? Society at large? All the people who don't have the breathe the fumes of some garbage commercial vehicle. > Your backyard fence looks DIY Provided it's up for code, whether it was "done yourself" or not doesn't matter. > your porch light looks like a fire hazard. Absolutely this should be reported.

It's not a win-win for society.

What do you think of China, where the application of this idea is widespread?

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