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Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#101

Post by raffraffraff »

p_ing wrote: post #7

For Jury, I would give a "skip question" option. I found one relating to Christianity that I had _no_ idea what the "correct" answer would be based on the two options. I thought clicking "Ask a new question" then going right back into Jury Duty would give me a new question, but I landed on the same one. I think the asker providing the two valid responses is flawed. It doesn't allow the "jury" to draw their own conclu…

Leads me to the conclusion that I don't know what JuryNow is for. The post says it's a game but it's not really. I think that people will use it 'fo real'. But think about a real jury. Typically you will be excused from a jury if you are an expert in a specific field that is important to the case, or if you have a conflict of interest. The jury must be a bit of a blank slate so that both prosecution and defence can give them the facts pertaining to the case, question witnesses, call experts to give testimony when pertinent and then let the jury deliberate together on the result.

If these JuryNow questions are just a snap judgement on a one-shot question, with no opportunity for depth or deliberation between members, then I can see all sorts of potential problems, including the one you pointed out. The person asking the question can also load it in such a way that it leans towards their chosen answer (somewhat like loaded surveys with leading questions). I can certainly see it being used that way in toxic online debates, like a cheap mini survey that gives credence to some opinion. Aren't Reddit "CMV" and "AITA" even a little better since the jury can deliberate with each other online, as would happen in a real case?

Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#102

Post by earnestinger »

Unsolicited feedback: I felt that some questions (what do you think of new Indian government) require “I have no idea about the topic”, and some (do I have moral duty to visit family member in prison) require “much more nuance nuance exist here”

Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#104

Post by sarah-brussels »

feraldidactic wrote: post #74
zargon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still happening.

And still happening

Thanks for that - my post on HN induced a massive spike creating a few unexpected bugs (despite testing it for scalability for nearly 4 months) . Working on it!

Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#105

Post by p_ing »

raffraffraff wrote: post #101
p_ing wrote: post #7

For Jury, I would give a "skip question" option. I found one relating to Christianity that I had _no_ idea what the "correct" answer would be based on the two options. I thought clicking "Ask a new question" then going right back into Jury Duty would give me a new question, but I landed on the same one. I think the asker providing the two valid responses is flawed. It doesn't allow the "jury" to draw their own conclu…

Leads me to the conclusion that I don't know what JuryNow is for. The post says it's a game but it's not really. I think that people will use it 'fo real'. But think about a real jury. Typically you will be excused from a jury if you are an expert in a specific field that is important to the case, or if you have a conflict of interest. The jury must be a bit of a blank slate so that both prosecution and defence can g…

This is an alternate form of hotornot.com, more or less.

And you're right, typically an expert would be excused, but you would also have the opportunity to learn what the issue is about to make an 'informed' choice, which in one particular case I could not.

Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#106

Post by [deleted] »

jowea wrote: post #43
delichon wrote: post #31

Look, this is good entertainment, you should own up to that and enough with the noble purpose stuff: > I built JuryNow because I wanted to create a truly objective place to get outside opinions that were not from my peer group, but from 12 people in 12 different countries, different ages, professions, cultures, a truly diverse global objective jury with no algorithms. You don't collect demographics, and couldn't veri…

Yeah this sounds like making a webgame out of /r/AITA

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Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#108

Post by Balgair »

exsomet wrote: post #12
bb88 wrote: post #9

The big problem is kinda the same as what happens in push polls -- in that they ask misleading or suggestive questions trying to boil the issue down to a good and bad answer. The reality for many of these questions is pretty complex. I'm not saying it's not worthwhile, but I'm saying forcing users to choose on some topics aren't black and white. It's maybe worthwhile getting information on things like people who aren…

I think you’re correct in that lots of things aren’t black and white, but the reverse is also true. Lots of arguments end up being over-litigated when a black and white answer (even if imperfect) will suffice. As with most things like this, you get out what you put in. Ask a biased question, and get a biased answer. At some point, the responsibility has to lie with the user that if they want something like this to be…

Yeah, so add a lawyer/judge option.

Like, someone comes with a problem, great. They suggest 2 options. Lets assume one is super biased. The asker is just fishing for compliments. The jury decides on a third option of 'No, actually, your dilemma is terrible, we need to re-word this'

Then you get some people to recraft answers for it. One person gets to craft one answer, another the other answer. Then a third person to adjudicate that both are acceptable. Then it goes to the jury.

Annnnnnd like the game 'Werewolf', we're expanding this to have all kinds of fun little jobs. Because of course we're going to need a bailiff, and a court reporter, and a stenographer, etc.

For getting this off the ground, yeah, there needs to be a 'send this back' button. But once it does get going, then more fun little jobs will be good to have as updates to keep people interested.

Re: Show HN: JuryNow – Get an anonymous instant verdict from 12 real people

#109

Post by grapesodaaaaa »

mulmen wrote: post #45
grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #38

I asked “ Toddlers should be allowed to be licensed to operate a motor vehicle.” with yes/no answers. It errors out with “ Please moderate the content of your question before submitting it.”

Maybe because it relates to children? This is a website that accepts input from the public. I rephrased the question as: > Should driving licenses be available regardless of age? > A: Yes, anyone who can pass the test can drive. > B: No, only adults who pass a test should drive. Option B won 10-2.

Yeah, I think you’re right. I don’t think anyone has figured out how to moderate AI well, so many of them seem overly-zealous at this point.
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