Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

scripton.dev

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 154 posts

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#101

Post by nightcraft »

levocardia wrote: post #96

But does it have a variable explorer? Somehow this simple feature, available in MATLAB and RStudio, is sorely lacking in many Python IDEs. I put up with an unbelievable amount of crap in Spyder because I can actually inspect dataframes, matrices, etc.

It does show you the active variables (and bits of details like shapes and dtypes for numpy arrays, torch tensors, dataframes, etc): https://scripton.dev/assets/images/lib-symbols@2x.png

However, I'm assuming you want to drill down further into these (and have them displayed as a table for instance)? While the current version doesn't have that, it's definitely planned.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#102

Post by hathawsh »

999900000999 wrote: post #87
hathawsh wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this concern could be partly alleviated through a price lock-in strategy. There could be a contract that says because the subscriber has paid for N months, that subscriber is eligible to keep paying the same price for 5-10 years, regardless of the price for other subscribers. This could incentivize people to start their subscription early.

That wouldn't stop the developer from abandoning the project though. I don't like using closed source tools when I can avoid it. Visual studio is a big exception because Microsoft will never abandon it in a million years, it's literally their flagship IDE. The same argument can be made for the jet brains IDEs. But a closed source tool made by a solo developer just seems too risky for me, even if the OP was giving it…

Makes sense. Still, I've been burned a bit when Microsoft surprisingly abandoned a developer tool I purchased. Flagship or not, a lot can change in a few years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof...

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#104

Post by screye »

dartharva wrote: post #60
screye wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spyder is the reason I could become Computer Scientist. When transitioning from MechE -> CS, every programming interface felt unintuitive and daunting to set up. Spyder made it so simple to get started. It turned python into a Matlab-esque numeric computing interface, got out of your way and let you built whatever you wanted. It reduced the 'time to magic' like no other tool I'd tried. (Can I coin the term : 'time to…

What made you shift away from Spyder to Jupyter notebooks and VSCode?

Coding became my fulltime job and I organically moved to mature tools.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#105

Post by nomel »

hakube wrote: post #62

Why is everything a subscription? This world is going nuts!

Developers enjoy sustained income, and "worth", at least in a professional context (which tool developer who enjoy money will target), is much more about value/time.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#106

Post by markus_zhang »

jamespo wrote: post #84
markus_zhang wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the Jetbrain model basically the pricing model of early era (pre 2000s) IDEs? I remember back then developers had to pay for editors and compilers, which usually came with a huge amount of manuals. And then they could install patches until a new major version rolled out. I'm actually OK with that model, if they still ship manuals in paper.

Oracle RDBMS used to come with 20+ books, for PL/SQL, C bindings, Fortran etc etc... I don't want those days back!

I'd like to take a cup of coffee, take out one of those books (not super interested in Oracle TBH but could be some other low level stuffs) and read it through.

OK I know reality is much less appealing than that. But I still prefer paper books than .CHM help files than really online documents.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#107

Post by markus_zhang »

pasc1878 wrote: post #75
markus_zhang wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love big boxes too! The manuals also show that developers really really know their products. It sucks that fast iteration is the new normal nowadays. It's not a bad thing if developers are eager to get their hands on a cutting edge feature, but I believe doing things slower but more thoroughly has its merit.

No they did not show that. They showed that the project team for the tools included more than developers. It included qualified technical writers. It included project managers would would ensure that if somethiung was added there was a specification so that it could be documented. ie developers were not allowed to get away with only doing a partial job.

I think that's a good thing, developers not allowed to get away with partial job.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#108

Post by nickserv »

lolinder wrote: post #49
nickserv wrote: post #44

I've been doing Python development for a long time, since when 2.4 was the hottest thing. I've used the language for all sorts of things: web apps, web APIs, GUI tools, image manipulation, data processing and visualization, some data science, machine learning more recently. I've used many IDEs over the years, currently on PyCharm. Just to qualify the feedback. Pros: - It looks very pretty. - Some nice time saving fea…

> currently on PyCharm. ... Cons: Subscription business model. ... Any one of the con's would be a deal breaker for me. I'm curious to understand this better (as a fan of JetBrains): do you currently use PyCharm Community or does the JetBrains model not count as a subscription for you?

I use PyCharm community edition for personal/OSS projects.

At work I do have the all products pack since we support multiple programming languages for our client libraries and custom integrations.

My only major complaint with jetbrains is having a separate IDE for .NET vs everything else.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#109

Post by insane_dreamer »

levocardia wrote: post #96

But does it have a variable explorer? Somehow this simple feature, available in MATLAB and RStudio, is sorely lacking in many Python IDEs. I put up with an unbelievable amount of crap in Spyder because I can actually inspect dataframes, matrices, etc.

PyCharm does this well

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#110

Post by lolinder »

adamc wrote: post #80
lolinder wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> currently on PyCharm. ... Cons: Subscription business model. ... Any one of the con's would be a deal breaker for me. I'm curious to understand this better (as a fan of JetBrains): do you currently use PyCharm Community or does the JetBrains model not count as a subscription for you?

Not the OP, but I have a subscription to PyCharm through work and still think it's inferior to VSCode. And I don't love vscode... In general, subscriptions are a high bar for me. You typically pay for them year after year but see minimal improvements. Back when I was doing Java development, I paid for my own copy of Idea just to get to use something good. But I don't think I would do that for a subscription.

> I have a subscription to PyCharm through work and still think it's inferior to VSCode

I'm trying to figure out how anyone could think that. Every time I switch to VS Code I feel hamstrung.

What do you find to be inferior?

Post reply on HN