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Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#101

Post by j45 » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 4:42 PM UTC

Terretta wrote: post #19

For the "Paid" or "Pro" version, let me have a browser extension that replaces ALL OF YOUTUBE with your text based breakdowns. // I'm not really kidding! Because boy do I hate 15 minute videos with the one CLI command you need buried like a needle in a haystack. Seeing the nonsense distilled into a handful of straightforward steps is so refreshing. Awesome work!

So true, you're after a few seconds buried in the video.

Giving the 15 seconds up front and then explaining it in more and more detail can also be appreciated by users.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

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Post by _akhe » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 4:45 PM UTC

shortformblog wrote: post #95

_akhe wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It by definition promotes the video and the creator. > publishers not able to make money on their work Again you're wrong, the creator still gets the view and ad revenue not this third-party site where it's embedded, from YouTube: Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. https://support.google.com/youtube/a…

I don’t know how you’re missing the bigger picture. It is taking away any reason to actually watch the video, which means nobody makes revenue from it. It is not a promotional tool—it is a replacement for the video.

I understand your take but I don't agree. By your logic no news site could display a video at the top then summarize the video in an article. This is one of the main use cases of the YouTube embed - which gives revenue to the creator when it's played on a third-party site (and the third-party site host gets no revenue) and the YouTube creator has the option to disallow embedding their video if they don't want it embedded anywhere - it's in their control.

The idea that the number of embed plays will be 0 on this site is just unfounded, and untrue as I just watched a video in an embed on this site. That creator just got a view, where otherwise I would have never seen their content, thanks to this website.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#103

Post by mattl » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:09 PM UTC

_akhe wrote: post #102

shortformblog wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know how you’re missing the bigger picture. It is taking away any reason to actually watch the video, which means nobody makes revenue from it. It is not a promotional tool—it is a replacement for the video.

I understand your take but I don't agree. By your logic no news site could display a video at the top then summarize the video in an article. This is one of the main use cases of the YouTube embed - which gives revenue to the creator when it's played on a third-party site (and the third-party site host gets no revenue) and the YouTube creator has the option to disallow embedding their video if they don't want it embe…

A news site can embed their own content and summarize it.

This site does not check if a video can be embedded before attempting to summarize it.

This șite exists to take the work of others, regardless of if they want it to be used like this and barely makes any effort to show the source. There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#104

Post by nickjj » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:13 PM UTC

_akhe wrote: post #94

nickjj wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do some of you think it is not okay to put YouTube embeds on a website? YouTube embeds are a different story, that is an official YouTube feature which allows folks to embed a YouTube video on a 3rd party website. I have no problem with that. YouTube even allows creators to enable or disable that on a per video basis. I keep it enabled because it's useful and promotes sharing of the original content as it was d…

Yes and to be clear the creator gets the revenue, not this website: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-... > Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. Furthermore, the YouTube creator can choose to not let their video be embedded if they wanted that. Do you have a problem with every…

Are you replying to the correct comment btw?

In the comment you're replying to (mine), I literally wrote:

> YouTube embeds are a different story, that is an official YouTube feature which allows folks to embed a YouTube video on a 3rd party website. I have no problem with that. YouTube even allows creators to enable or disable that on a per video basis. I keep it enabled because it's useful and promotes sharing of the original content as it was delivered.

In your comment you've written things like "Furthermore, the YouTube creator can choose to not let their video be embedded if they wanted that." which implies you haven't read the comment I wrote because I mentioned that. I'm also not in disagreement that embedding is generally useful and I support it fully.

That makes me think you might have replied to the wrong person?

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#105

Post by _akhe » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:42 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #104

_akhe wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and to be clear the creator gets the revenue, not this website: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-... > Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. Furthermore, the YouTube creator can choose to not let their video be embedded if they wanted that. Do you have a problem with every…

Are you replying to the correct comment btw? In the comment you're replying to (mine), I literally wrote: > YouTube embeds are a different story, that is an official YouTube feature which allows folks to embed a YouTube video on a 3rd party website. I have no problem with that. YouTube even allows creators to enable or disable that on a per video basis. I keep it enabled because it's useful and promotes sharing of th…

> Public doesn't mean it's available for someone else to use however they see fit.

You're implying the embed is being used unethically or in an illegal way that violates copyright - it's not.

> That's why we have licenses and YouTube's default license ensures creators retain ownership of what they upload

Not true: YouTube manages copyright themselves and can even control which countries the video can be viewed in etc. And the rights are given up by the creator when they agree to YouTube's terms which grants YouTube a:

  “worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the Content in connection with the Service”

which of course includes their site embed.

> I have no problem with that. YouTube even allows creators to enable or disable that on a per video basis. I keep it enabled because it's useful and promotes sharing of the original content as it was delivered

If your problem is the fact that the video is summarized in a blog post, tutorial, article, etc. then I still disagree, and maintain that it doesn't violate any copyright - the purpose of the YouTube embed is to display the content on another website.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#106

Post by _akhe » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:51 PM UTC

mattl wrote: post #103

_akhe wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your take but I don't agree. By your logic no news site could display a video at the top then summarize the video in an article. This is one of the main use cases of the YouTube embed - which gives revenue to the creator when it's played on a third-party site (and the third-party site host gets no revenue) and the YouTube creator has the option to disallow embedding their video if they don't want it embe…

A news site can embed their own content and summarize it. This site does not check if a video can be embedded before attempting to summarize it. This șite exists to take the work of others, regardless of if they want it to be used like this and barely makes any effort to show the source. There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself.

> A news site can embed their own content and summarize it.

But not a YouTube embed? Well we just disagree. That's what the embed is for.

Whether or not a video can be embedded is under the control of the creator in their YouTube dashboard, not this third-party site.

> There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself.

Not true at all, the creator is listed in a pretty big font size, and there is a literal YouTube embed that links to the video (and channel if you click the avatar). The creator gets the credit and ad revenue from the embed, the third-party site doesn't.

> This șite exists to take the work of others

Not true either, see the news site example, or any blog or tutorial site that references videos.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

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Post by cchance » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:52 PM UTC

metadat wrote: post #13

This is a brilliant and useful application of LLM technology, I'm impressed. One question- On the backend, is it downloading each video CC (closed-caption) transcript and feeding that into a tuned prompt? What happens for videos where this is missing? Asking because I've noticed CC is occasionally unavailable for some YouTube videos. If you cared to have a fallback, a potentially interesting experiment / solution for…

I mean if CC is missing you just run it through whisper/whisperfast and you've got CC.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

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Post by cchance » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 5:52 PM UTC

aka_sh wrote: post #36

metadat wrote: post #13

This is a brilliant and useful application of LLM technology, I'm impressed. One question- On the backend, is it downloading each video CC (closed-caption) transcript and feeding that into a tuned prompt? What happens for videos where this is missing? Asking because I've noticed CC is occasionally unavailable for some YouTube videos. If you cared to have a fallback, a potentially interesting experiment / solution for…

Thank you! I'm getting the transcript through an API and feeding it to the GPT. For now, the fallback function for no captions is just to make something out of the description of the video. I really appreciate the suggestion, i'll experiment around using Whisper. Regarding open source or business. I don't really know about that yet. Maybe, i'll lean towards the business side to cover the costs and see where this goes…

Definitly try out whisper after splitting out the audio as a fallback, and don't forget their are other models like WhisperFast that might be slightly less accurate but less resource intesnive, and since your not publishing the captions themselves you don't need it to literally get every word perfect.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

#109

Post by mattl » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

_akhe wrote: post #106

mattl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A news site can embed their own content and summarize it. This site does not check if a video can be embedded before attempting to summarize it. This șite exists to take the work of others, regardless of if they want it to be used like this and barely makes any effort to show the source. There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself.

> A news site can embed their own content and summarize it. But not a YouTube embed? Well we just disagree. That's what the embed is for. Whether or not a video can be embedded is under the control of the creator in their YouTube dashboard, not this third-party site. > There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself. Not true at all, the creator is listed in a pretty big font size, and there is a lit…

To quote you:

Do you know how YouTube embeds work?

This site summarizes videos regardless of their status on YouTube. Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way and there's just a little box telling you that you could watch the video on YouTube.

This site exists to take the work of others. If not, please provide a link to the YouTube channel made by the person behind stepify and all their videos.

Re: Show HN: I made a website that converts YT videos into step-by-step guides

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Post by _akhe » Mon, Apr 22, 2024, 8:01 PM UTC

mattl wrote: post #109

_akhe wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A news site can embed their own content and summarize it. But not a YouTube embed? Well we just disagree. That's what the embed is for. Whether or not a video can be embedded is under the control of the creator in their YouTube dashboard, not this third-party site. > There's no link to the channel, no credits from the video itself. Not true at all, the creator is listed in a pretty big font size, and there is a lit…

To quote you: Do you know how YouTube embeds work? This site summarizes videos regardless of their status on YouTube. Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way and there's just a little box telling you that you could watch the video on YouTube. This site exists to take the work of others. If not, please provide a link to the YouTube channel made by the person behind stepify and a…

> Don't support embeds? Tough luck, this site will summarize your work either way

Again wrong - the creator can disable embeds for any video on their YouTube dashboard.