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Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by mike741 »

aprilnya wrote: post #98
klabb3 wrote: post #56

I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. The descriptions (a) are hard to pattern match quickly and (b) the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). In my experience the…

> I think the cards should just be what the post is, not a description of it. This would make the blue look-into-it-more button useless > the creators value judgments are inserted (for instance “ethnic slur” is ambiguous in many real cases, eg negro could be legit in a spanish-speaking or referencing context, or “white trash” which could both be a slur and the title of an edgy Vice documentary). You’re supposed to us…

> You’re supposed to use the blue look-into-it-more button

Isn't that the problem? If a report is in regards to the content of a post, and we have limited time, why not start with the actual content being reported first and have the reporter's arbitrary comments be secondary?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by mike741 »

seany wrote: post #38

I don't get what the point of this is. Just approve everything and move on

Some stuff is illegal in some countries and will get your platform sued or taken down completely. Sometimes competitors and malicious users will spam undesirable content to smear your brand identity, get you blacklisted by search engines, or simply eat up your time and money. Sadly, not everything can be approved.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by stonogo »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #84
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can one protect the integrity of a website if they're undermining free speech rights What free speech rights? You have no legal right to compel someone else to display your words on their website.

That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure you understand the implications of it though. Were it so simple, then it is plausible enough to construct a society where you have no free speech at all, anywhere, without your legal rights being violated. In fact, you all seem to be constructing that society even as we speak. Given the audience of this particular forum, more than a few of you are literally doing just that,…

Leaping from "I get to decide what's on my website" to "you've created a society" is pretty silly. Your argument is missing any meaningful linkages. It would be stronger if you articulated them instead of handwaving about plausibility.

Personally I don't think social media speech is that important. It's ad-based, convenience-driven, and fickle. If it were to disappear people would just move to different media.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by wincy »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

A neat game, but my enjoyment of it is somewhat dulled since I watch my mom play this in real life on a daily basis - her job is moderating product reviews.

Oh so she’s the person who removes my one star review when I get a letter saying I’ll get a $25 Amazon gift card for giving the product a 5-star review? I just can’t trust Amazon reviews after that happened to me, I was so mad.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

alexb_ wrote: post #54

This game was made by a political action group for startups. Here is their agenda: https://engineis.squarespace.com/s/Startup-Policy-Agenda-202...

Mike Masnick gets really upset when you point out the motives for his work. Keep doing it, thanks.

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by sgdesign »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #84
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can one protect the integrity of a website if they're undermining free speech rights What free speech rights? You have no legal right to compel someone else to display your words on their website.

That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure you understand the implications of it though. Were it so simple, then it is plausible enough to construct a society where you have no free speech at all, anywhere, without your legal rights being violated. In fact, you all seem to be constructing that society even as we speak. Given the audience of this particular forum, more than a few of you are literally doing just that,…

It's not a theory, it's literally how free speech works in the real world. Private entities can't be compelled by the government to to publish content they don't want to publish, just like they also can't be silenced by that government.

What you seem to be asking for is a world where the government can override the autonomy of publications and force them to publish specific items. How is that "free" speech?

Re: Show HN: Moderator Mayhem, a game about the difficulties of content moderation

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Post by intended »

ianferrel wrote: post #32
oldtownroad wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the point though, right? Encouraging illegal activity may not itself be illegal but moderators aren’t arbiters of the law, they’re protecting the integrity of the website for the intended user base. If you want to allow people to encourage cocaine usage on your website, you have to be prepared to deal with law enforcement — because when someone follows the advice and dies with the website open on their compute…

Certainly social media companies can choose to disallow suggestions that people take illegal actions. But that's not what the moderation policy for "illegal" content says. It says "Content that violates local or international laws or regulations." I don't know all the laws of all the countries, but my local laws make very little content illegal. Various types of obscenity, true threats, etc. "You should do drugs whil…

How is this different from moderation?

This is exactly what I encountered - mods would debate these specific issues. Is the spirit of the rule or the word of the rule met.

For global teams it’s even worse.

The rules tend to be American, and they apply globally - which means that things that are illegal locally are given a pass, and this creates the same debate in the mod team.

Moderation is phyrric. Today you come up with a good argument for behavior, tomorrow you churn your team and have 60% new people. The same argument comes up and its decided in the other direction.

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