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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "all sorts of other whimsical attractions" is especially bad.

Absolutely. This was recycled almost directly from some of the prompt material I gave while refining. I've learned more about "prompt engineering" (as it seems to be called) since and think it would be relatively easy to smooth these edges out. Edit: typo

This reminded me of the rules for fiction in Flaubert's Parrot. They don't include any mention of whimsy, in fact, but it was fun rereading them.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#102
Is there any feasible way to get midjourney to use the same "character" each time ? The hedgehog and the girl (and the woods) just change - losing some emotional constant across the book.

I am "writing" a book about fairies with my seven year old and Inthink I might use midjourney for the background scenes and photoshop in her fairies, but ... yeah chatgpt and midjourney are kinda like twitter / FB - a mirror of our society and it's artifacts.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#104
post #78

I don't know how to think about this: On one side, it might be nice to create stories that fit a specific want/desire for what a child might need. We might even go for the concept of a segment of one kind of story. On the other hand, I am picky with the stories I read to my child. I see stories I read as education. They transmit some non-conscious cultural things about being human, about handling this reality and the…

> But I am a bit reluctant/skeptical whenever I buy a book launched recently. I am not 100% sure if the author just wrote a story because they want to sell something, and it does not have any other meaning.

I understand your concern. But in this case the whole "book" is just a few pages long. You can vet the thing in minutes.

It is a lot harder with longer books. I remember vividly an instance from my childhood a case where my mom was reading us a Doctor Dolittle book. I remember it, because in the middle of the book they had a fight with a crocodile who tried to eat the hero, and according to the story they bound the crocodile and gagged it and left it for good. And as a child I felt so sorry for the crocodile who just followed its natural instinct, and now bound and gagged he will surely die a slow and painful death. My mom seeing that this made me upset she turned the page back and decided to improvise a story pretending as if she was reading from the page. In the new revised story they made the crock promise them not to eat them, and then they untied him.

And that was a book published half a century before us reading it. So recency is not necessarily a safeguard.

Also sometimes the chat you have with your kid about a story is as important as the story itself. For example about this linked one I would ask any kids if they also found it odd that the hedgehog gave up their passion of baking and opened a theme park. That can lead to deep conversations about the purposes of life, or maybe a much shallower but equally delightful one about the fun of theme parks.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#105
In the coming years, the human values taught in these AI children books will be picked by an AI to fix the most pressing current and foreseen issues in society (eg. individualism, environmentalism).

In the following decades, parents might be less relevant in children education, sometimes even harmful.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#106
The prompt [1] didn't fully transfer to the generated story.

This is an important part of the prompt:

> she had too much butter. Because of that, things got slippery.

> Until finally she opened the first ever butter theme park.

But the generated story doesn't say that the layer of butter in the kitchen was slippery, or explain that butter in general is slippery (and hence could create "slippery slides"), which make the idea seem like a bizarre jump:

> Sparkles was sorry for her mischief, and offered to help Penelope turn the butter back into bread. But Penelope had a better idea.

> Together, they opened the first ever butter theme park

[1]: https://adventure-of-penelope.vercel.app/credits

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#107
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are ultimately going to do that. And if we really can't figure out a book written by an AI from that written by a human, then what's the point of all of it? Eventually good authors will still succeed as their writing style will not be squeezed out of the grand summation of all the writings in the world.

There are a lot of negative consequences: 1. Entire classes of skilled jobs are eliminated, only the most elite writers and artists can make money 2. Value for story creation gets concentrated in the few companies that own and operate the best LLM's and best stable diffusion models 3. Society becomes more fragmented because we are all watching different content These are just a few I'm able to think of in 2 minutes.…

I'm not at all assuming all technological progress is an unadulterated good - in fact, nothing is, everything would have a downside if it has an upside. All I'm saying is it's still bound to happen and we can do nothing about it.

It's not the first time that 'entire classes of skilled jobs' have been eliminated. It's the natural side effect of automation and has happened with every generation of new products. Industry automation might have taken millions of jobs away so far to give us better products faster. Tomorrow my job as a usual developer might be gone to these AI tools (though it's a far fetched thought), and I have to be prepared for it, and re-skill/up-skill myself if I ever sense that day is about to arrive.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#108
post #79

Sorry, but the story is missing a very important ingredient for a kids book: I can not identify any deeper moral or social or any idea. While stories "just for fun" have of course a right to exist, it is very questionable to fill your kids brain solely with random, empty, meaningless fun stories. Stories for kids are an important part of helping to build a moral compass for the world. Besides "getting rich quick with…

> I can not identify any deeper moral or social or any idea.

The fairy destroys the bread that Penelope has created by turning it into butter. The fairy then expresses remorse, apologises, and offers to undo this ("Sparkles was sorry for her mischief, and offered to help Penelope turn the butter back into bread"). Penelope accepts the apology, and they set aside their differences to engage in a joint venture together.

Arguably this isn't a good expression of a moral lesson, but there are moral themes here (destroying what other people have worked hard to create is bad; apologising and offering to fix your mistakes is good, forgiveness is better than holding a grudge).

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of course it is empty and has no moral It was made with AI art and AI text. To do so fundamentally treats creativity as a cost center and this is the result.

Eh, it isn't the AI's fault... This is the plot he used to feed the AI: "Once upon a time there was porcupine. Every day, she baked a loaf of bread. One day the loaf disappeared. Because of that, she had too much butter. Because of that, things got slippery. Until finally she opened the first ever butter theme park." I can bet you that if you specifically asked the AI to include some morals it would do so In fact I'l…

GPT-3 is great at giving generic advice, true. But that aside, it surprises me how uncritical HN seems to be when it comes to children's books. Sure, they may look simple at first glance but a lot of thought and work goes into good children's books and likewise children can get a lot out of them if they're done right.

It's not that the story necessarily has to have a moral, though many do. It's that they're funny and artful and witty. They can make kids think and dream and inspire them. Also a real quality kid's book doesn't just speak to children but humans in general. If you read it as an adult and think it's a boring story, it's not a good book for your child imo.

The linked butter story doesn't have any of this. It's grammatically correct and each sentence is somewhat related to the previous one but that's about all the positive I can find in it. It's completely meaningless.

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