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Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by mpnordland » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

thatcat wrote: post #67

rurcliped wrote: post #63

Many people browse the web from an employer who has rules about what types of pages may be accessed. For example, a person applying for a job with my team may include a link to a web page about their job-related background -- portfolio.html or whatever. HR tells us to be sure we don't follow links to any other page that may be more personal in nature, such as a page that reveals the applicant's marital status (which…

If you need people to design their websites around your companies HR metrics collection for them to work, then your HR department's metrics are the problem. The easiest way to improve productivity at your company could be to drastically cut HR funding, maybe HR should collect some metrics on how much time HR spends building datasets that aren't accurate.

While this is an approach you could take, it's not a very user friendly one. I agree with you that those HR policies sound draconian, but OP isn't necessarily in a position to challenge or change them.

In addition to being less user friendly, having the mindset that users/visitors to your website must live and work in ideal settings means that whatever you create will tend to be fragile and brittle because you don't try to take into account situations that you haven't seen before.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by hombre_fatal » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

chipperyman573 wrote: post #87

hombre_fatal wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus. I hope they pay you well for that. I've heard a lot of stories of ridiculous rule-by-HR culture, but that's so extreme it sounds made up.

The part about viewing family.html seems kind of understandable. If you assume no bad actors, then it's crazy... But we're all developers here, we know that you have to assume the existence of bad actors, and assume that they are going to target you (which is why we you always validate data client data server-side). I could see how viewing family.html could turn into a real headache for HR/Legal, especially if the la…

We're talking about evidence in a discrimination court case that points to an IP address associated with a company that visited /family.htm around the time someone applied for a job they didn't get. Like, that person went through their blog's access.log when they got home, defeatedly looking up IP addresses, and going "aha, jackpot!"? And everyone in the company hovers links to be sure they don't go to /as-a-black-man.htm during the hiring process? And the fear seriously is that prefetching might be what spurs this chain of events?

That sounds batshit insane.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by bigbadgoose » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

Just set this up on guidevinetech.com, injected via tag manager. Works a treat, pages are definitely _fast_

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by saluki » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:18 PM UTC

gnulinux wrote: post #100

rurcliped wrote: post #63

Many people browse the web from an employer who has rules about what types of pages may be accessed. For example, a person applying for a job with my team may include a link to a web page about their job-related background -- portfolio.html or whatever. HR tells us to be sure we don't follow links to any other page that may be more personal in nature, such as a page that reveals the applicant's marital status (which…

One of my biggest career goals is never to work in a company like that. A company that micromanages me to the point they search my fucking internet history to decide my termination doesn't deserve my technical skills.

Double True!

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by breck » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:18 PM UTC

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #64

jolmg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel this fails a user expectation that simply hovering over a link doesn't inform the server of anything. It's curious you mention checking where links link to, because I think that's also another user expectation failure. The url that appears in the status bar below (or what was once a status bar) is not necessarily the link's true destination. You can go to any google search results page, hover over the links in…

> I feel this fails a user expectation that simply hovering over a link doesn't inform the server of anything. I would bet 99%+ of web users do not have a sufficiently detailed mental model of web pages that this is something they've decided one way or the other.

Agreed, my expectations are the opposite.

Google Analytics et al, allow custom events which are used to record mouse overs, clicks, et cetera on a majority of websites. I always just assume everything I do, down to page scrolls and mouse movements, is recorded.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by denniskane » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

gnulinux wrote: post #100

rurcliped wrote: post #63

Many people browse the web from an employer who has rules about what types of pages may be accessed. For example, a person applying for a job with my team may include a link to a web page about their job-related background -- portfolio.html or whatever. HR tells us to be sure we don't follow links to any other page that may be more personal in nature, such as a page that reveals the applicant's marital status (which…

One of my biggest career goals is never to work in a company like that. A company that micromanages me to the point they search my fucking internet history to decide my termination doesn't deserve my technical skills.

Funny story, my biggest career goal has always been to never have a career, haha!

So, many years ago, I started hacking away on something that is very appropriate to your username...

https://linuxontheweb.org/desk.os

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by rprime » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

dieulot wrote: post #20

rprime wrote: post #15

Is this a re-rebranding? I remember using something similar 4-5 years ago (instant.js/instantclick). But quite an interesting little thing, especially useful for older websites to bring some life into them. The effect is very noticeable.

Kind of. It’s different than InstantClick in that it uses and can thus be embedded in one minute, while InstantClick transforms a site into an SPA and require additional work. It’s a different product. The initially planned name for it was “InstantClick Lite”.

Oh interesting, I'll give this a go.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by xpose2000 » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:24 PM UTC

I've been testing it for the past 30 minutes or so and found that it doesn't cause the same problems that InstantClick did. (Which was javascript errors that would randomly occur.) I'll limit it to a small subset of users to see if any errors are reported but there is a good chance this could go live for all logged in users. Maybe even all website visitors if all goes well.

Seems to have no impact on any javascript, including ads. Pages do load faster, and I can see the prefetch working.

Just make sure you apply the data-no-instant tag to your logout link, otherwise it'll logout on mouseover.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by arendtio » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:24 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #77

arendtio wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was a joke as GET requests are not supposed to change anything, but often they do (probably because many devs don't know about, understand or respect the RESTful concept). EDIT: For completeness, I have to add, that I am also part of the group of people who have violated that concept. Maybe neither frequently nor recently, but I did it too :-/

> understand or respect the RESTful concept It's nothing to do with REST. It's part of the HTTP spec and has always been, that "GET and HEAD methods should never have the significance of taking an action other than retrieval".

Well, if I am not mistaken, REST is just the articulated concept on which HTTP was built. So yes, the HTTP spec (probably) existed before REST became a term itself, but in the end, there is no reason to argue if REST defines it or HTTP.

Re: Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute

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Post by UweSchmidt » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:26 PM UTC

rurcliped wrote: post #63

Many people browse the web from an employer who has rules about what types of pages may be accessed. For example, a person applying for a job with my team may include a link to a web page about their job-related background -- portfolio.html or whatever. HR tells us to be sure we don't follow links to any other page that may be more personal in nature, such as a page that reveals the applicant's marital status (which…

Sounds terrible: An automated analysis of an employee's behaviour linked to promotions and even terminations? Should be outright illegal.

The webbrowsing of other people is their private matter. If you think someone is surfing the web too much (or taking too many coffee breaks, or leaning on the shovel for a minute or any other normal activity people do to take little breaks from work), it's on leadership to tell the person to get back to work, or generally, create a work environment where work flows more naturally.

Logs are for investigations in case of crimes etc.

I read so many things here on HN that are illegal in Germany. We have laws and powerful worker representation that prevents dehumanitzing stuff like that but, often, things started in the US find their way over here....