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Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

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post #85

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Good points, but I don't think we need assumptions that strong. For example, if democrats donate to the republican party as an anti-charity and republicans donate an equal total to the democratic party, then probably democrats and republicans would all agree that that's strictly worse than nobody donating at all. But more to the point, I'm just viewing it from the individual user's perspective. From your point of vie…

It is useful to distinguish between the individual user's perspective and the global perspective. You want to focus on the individual user, and that makes sense. But to him/her, they're using an anti-charity because they want to increase their odds of accomplishing their goal. So when thinking about whether it is "good for the world" or "bad for the world" that people do this, we have to factor in: 1: the x% probabil…

Ah, yes, my assumption is that you can derive the same amount of motivation with a non-evil beneficiary by just jacking up the amount at risk. Like donating $1 to the KKK is extremely aversive but you're equally motivated to avoid giving, say, $1k to a neutral 3rd party.

Exactly zero harm befalls the world in the latter case.

I'd even go so far as to say you could achieve the same effect with a true charity by risking an amount that you really couldn't afford. But, as I point out in the blog post I linked to above, no one ever has the guts to actually do that.

Btw, on Beeminder we very occasionally have people who risk thousands of dollars. I think they tend to be really hardcore fans who may in fact view it as improving the world by giving us money. Hence them shrugging off smaller amounts and needing to risk something ridiculous to stay motivated to stay on track. But it's still super win-win (because they do stay on track overall -- and sometimes staying on track means things like finishing a PhD!).

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#102
post #92

I've seen these financial penalty systems promoted as change motivators, but does anyone have a success story using them?

At risk of meta-overload, our startup wouldn't exist but for doing this!

http://messymatters.com/uvi/

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is useful to distinguish between the individual user's perspective and the global perspective. You want to focus on the individual user, and that makes sense. But to him/her, they're using an anti-charity because they want to increase their odds of accomplishing their goal. So when thinking about whether it is "good for the world" or "bad for the world" that people do this, we have to factor in: 1: the x% probabil…

Ah, yes, my assumption is that you can derive the same amount of motivation with a non-evil beneficiary by just jacking up the amount at risk. Like donating $1 to the KKK is extremely aversive but you're equally motivated to avoid giving, say, $1k to a neutral 3rd party. Exactly zero harm befalls the world in the latter case. I'd even go so far as to say you could achieve the same effect with a true charity by riskin…

> Ah, yes, my assumption is that you can derive the same amount of motivation with a non-evil beneficiary by just jacking up the amount at risk. Like donating $1 to the KKK is extremely aversive but you're equally motivated to avoid giving, say, $1k to a neutral 3rd party.

Is there any evidence to support this theory? Seems like the existence of tools that offer anti-charity donations indicate that for at least some people, this assumption is incorrect.

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#104
post #99
post #91

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Did something similar to this at a previous employer. We had a problem with a particular weekly meeting starting on time, so we all agreed on a $1 late fee, per minute. At year's end, the collected fees were gifted to one of the firm's wealthy executives whom we all disliked. The meeting's on-time rate skyrocketed.

Did you send a card along with the money explaining this to the executive?

Dear Jim,

We begrudgingly offer you this gift as a token of our accumulated tardiness to company meetings.

Regards,

Your subordinates

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#106
post #99
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did something similar to this at a previous employer. We had a problem with a particular weekly meeting starting on time, so we all agreed on a $1 late fee, per minute. At year's end, the collected fees were gifted to one of the firm's wealthy executives whom we all disliked. The meeting's on-time rate skyrocketed.

Did you send a card along with the money explaining this to the executive?

The good news is, none of them have to attend the meeting anymore.

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#107
post #98

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>The incentive structure you are describing is a huge part of the problem in the statist/industrial paradigm of human existence. You misspelled "capitalist".

Sure, call it that too. I think that that word is a bit unwiedly in today's political dialogue, because it means something different to everybody. To some, "capitalist" is an attribute of a society that resist state intervention in economic collaboration. It is equal to the phrase "free market" and viewed with great skepticism. To others, "capitalist" is more tantamount to greed and cronyism; it is understood in a wa…

It sounds like you're fantasizing about anarcho-capitalism?

What type of system do you think cryptocoins facilitate?

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#108

ignoring the tech, i think many folks here are missing the point. Assume you really want to quit smoking right now, and you are also pro choice. With a system like this you can say "I will quit smoking in 2 months or this $5000 will go to an anti-abortion charity." now THIS system doesn't do that BUT the core point remains, if you can attach "significant" loss to NOT achieving a goal it can help motivate people (not…

I used to run a CLI program called smoketimer [1]. It'd give an output like (from the README example):

"4 Months, one week, 5 days, two hours, 51 minutes, 39 seconds. 3084 cigarettes not smoked, saving EUR 478.02. Life saved: One week, one day, 13 hours, 36 minutes."

After I saved up an X amount of money (a year or so?), I bought myself a laptop from that; the first laptop I ever bought for myself. Quite a decent motivator if I may say so myself.

Sure, I had relapses. Multiple even. Last one in 2014, whilst on vacation (very difficult time for me not smoking on vacation). I bought one pack, ended up throwing away half of it.

[1] https://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/smoketimer.tgz

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#109
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, call it that too. I think that that word is a bit unwiedly in today's political dialogue, because it means something different to everybody. To some, "capitalist" is an attribute of a society that resist state intervention in economic collaboration. It is equal to the phrase "free market" and viewed with great skepticism. To others, "capitalist" is more tantamount to greed and cronyism; it is understood in a wa…

It sounds like you're fantasizing about anarcho-capitalism? What type of system do you think cryptocoins facilitate? https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...

I have run into AnCaps whose opinions I respected, but I've never quite been convinced that their version of the world is sufficiently selective for compassion.

Re: Show HN: Go Freaking Do It – Smart contract for reaching your goals

#110
post #99
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did something similar to this at a previous employer. We had a problem with a particular weekly meeting starting on time, so we all agreed on a $1 late fee, per minute. At year's end, the collected fees were gifted to one of the firm's wealthy executives whom we all disliked. The meeting's on-time rate skyrocketed.

Did you send a card along with the money explaining this to the executive?

Hah, yes and no. The card said we wanted the money to go to the person we thought needed it the least. However, he knew he was not well-liked, presumably connected the dots, and thought it was funny anyways.
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