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Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by weaksauce »

dejan wrote: post #37
d2p wrote: post #33

Sounded interesting, but it seems abit misleading to me.. The title says "unlimited" and the page says: > We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth. yet the pricing page says: > up to 100 outgoing emails per day Even the most expensive plan says 2000. I'm not saying it's unreasonable, but it's certainly not unlimited in that respect.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It depends how you look at it. All email services have limits. However, the limits we set are more as a protection for ourselves and our users. We have to deal with spammers, phishing attacks etc. We diversify based on the actual, realistic needs of the organisation. For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag. In practice we have yet…

A startup of 3 can certainly need to send 500 emails a day but there are other services that should be used for that like mail gun or mail chimp or the plethora of other bulk sending providers. Usually 10k-20k per month is the free limit.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dejan »

encoderer wrote: post #100

I've not spent any time thinking about pricing for email SaaS targeting consumers but a few quick thoughts: - You have to have a lot of subscribers to make $4/month amount to real money. Also, churn is higher. My SaaS service Cronitor used to offer a $6.99-turned-9.99 plan targeted at individuals and churn rates on that plan is literally 10x higher than our $25 tier. - If being cheap is your thing, and I'm willing to…

Thank you for your comments. However, Migadu is not intended to be "cheap". That is not the selling point of it.

We used to use Google Apps for multiple domains for our starup projects, ideas etc. Switching between these multiple accounts was becoming ridiculous and complex. Then, they made it $5 per account. We actually had many addresses but only two users. Our total cost of that would be measured in hundreds of $ which def would not be worth it.

What I personally dislike regarding other services is that they claim storage as one of the most important selling points but then do not account for the price drop per GB. Since GMail for work launched (2006?), the cost per GB dropped more than sixty fold: http://www.mkomo.com/cost-per-gigabyte-update

Any update in price? Nope. And then, the price of Google Apps (Gmail) are global. We have clients in Zimbabwe for instance. $5 per month per account is not the same as it would be in the US. Yet if a company from Zimbabwe uses a @gmail address, it won't be taken serious.

Migadu is profitable since a while ago, and real money is relative. We're not after exits and TechCrunch, just doing what we like and hacking at it daily. :) Pays the bills. Ironically, we are also in Switzerland, where living expenses are among the highest in the world.

Thanks for the assertions though! :)

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by mxuribe »

I've been testing fastmail recently via their free trial (for my eventual migration away from google apps/domain)...so seeing some up and coming competition is always healthy; gives us more choices in the future. I wish these guys plenty of luck, as we need more options just like these guys! Cheers!

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by artemist »

jonasvp wrote: post #87
artemist wrote: post #14

If you are wondering about jurisdiction, according to their FAQ they are in Switzerland, and according to geoip their servers are hosted by OVH in France.

Their web server or the actual email servers?

Strangely, both seem to use the same IP addresses (Maybe there is a load balancer there?) So, as far as I know, both are in France.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by encoderer »

dejan wrote: post #103
encoderer wrote: post #100

I've not spent any time thinking about pricing for email SaaS targeting consumers but a few quick thoughts: - You have to have a lot of subscribers to make $4/month amount to real money. Also, churn is higher. My SaaS service Cronitor used to offer a $6.99-turned-9.99 plan targeted at individuals and churn rates on that plan is literally 10x higher than our $25 tier. - If being cheap is your thing, and I'm willing to…

Thank you for your comments. However, Migadu is not intended to be "cheap". That is not the selling point of it. We used to use Google Apps for multiple domains for our starup projects, ideas etc. Switching between these multiple accounts was becoming ridiculous and complex. Then, they made it $5 per account. We actually had many addresses but only two users. Our total cost of that would be measured in hundreds of $…

I agree that your pricing model is more user-friendly and it's more inline with your cost model (mailboxes are free to provide). It's why I clicked on it. I spent about 3 minutes given my browser history, looking at your homepage and pricing page. What I absorbed, after seeing your HN "email from $4/mo" and then your homepage, was that this was primarily about being cheap. Maybe I'm an outlier, but that seemed to be the message you were sending me.

And I totally understand you're not trying to "Tech Crunch", I think a SaaS is a great side business -- i've done this myself -- but also the only way to ensure stability of a project over long term is for it to provide financial rewards inline with effort.

Also, I definitely should've added: Congrats on shipping.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dejan »

himlion wrote: post #89
dejan wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, not at the moment, but we will bring it up for discussion! May I ask why do you consider it a worthy addition? Thank you!

I think the benefits of two factor authentication are pretty obvious.

Indeed. Since we started from scratch we were very careful about what goes in and what doesn't. Not trying to be ignorant regarding 2FA, but rather always prefer to hear the actual reasons.

Nevertheless, thank you guys for all the suggestions, we will work to get 2FA in ASAP.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by dejan »

weaksauce wrote: post #101
dejan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It depends how you look at it. All email services have limits. However, the limits we set are more as a protection for ourselves and our users. We have to deal with spammers, phishing attacks etc. We diversify based on the actual, realistic needs of the organisation. For instance, a startup of 3 would not need to send 500 emails a day, that is a clear red flag. In practice we have yet…

A startup of 3 can certainly need to send 500 emails a day but there are other services that should be used for that like mail gun or mail chimp or the plethora of other bulk sending providers. Usually 10k-20k per month is the free limit.

Exactly, we prefer using the right service for the right task at hand. Personal / business mail is not for sending bulk emails. It also carries reputation penalties.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

tombrossman wrote: post #8

This looks pretty slick and well done for having a comprehensive FAQ section and plenty of info which answered most of my questions. For me, email is the 'master key' for most of my online accounts (because password resets are done via email so if your email account is compromised an attacker can quickly leverage access to other services) and email security is top priority. I didn't see anything about using two-facto…

I was also discouraged to see there was no 2fa option. Email is simply too important. One of the reasons I stick with gmail is because I know Google hires some of the best security people in the world and takes it very seriously. They also support 2fa and other security measures.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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Post by hartator »

tombrossman wrote: post #8

This looks pretty slick and well done for having a comprehensive FAQ section and plenty of info which answered most of my questions. For me, email is the 'master key' for most of my online accounts (because password resets are done via email so if your email account is compromised an attacker can quickly leverage access to other services) and email security is top priority. I didn't see anything about using two-facto…

At the same time, if you access your email only from secure devices, is your password at any risks?
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